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Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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I'm not sure what's particularly interesting about this. If IBM has a support contract with any of these companies, they would have to discontinue it as well.

And if they do, would the US government pay off any current contract obligations IBM had to break?

In some sense. If you wanted to get the government to enforce the contract, they wouldn't, so there you go, paid off.

Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if they do, would the US government pay off any current contract obligations IBM had to break?

In some sense. If you wanted to get the government to enforce the contract, they wouldn't, so there you go, paid off.

The Russian government will enforce a contract made in Russia.

Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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Yes. The US constitution, Article 1 section 8 http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8 states: "The Congress shall have power... To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes..." Congress has passed such laws, authorizing the President to impose economic sanctions banning trade with countries which pose "any unusual and extraordinary threat, which…

IMHO if your only/main source of news is the western media, you get a very one sided, anti-Russian point of view. Things are really not that black and white, they almost never are in the global politics.

Hmm. Is there actually any doubt that Russia is tacitly providing support to Novorossiya?

Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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I'm not sure what's particularly interesting about this. If IBM has a support contract with any of these companies, they would have to discontinue it as well.

And if they do, would the US government pay off any current contract obligations IBM had to break?

Most contracts have "through no fault of the undersigned" waivers in them. i.e. acts of god or government are often covered in some way within the contract language, making parties not liable for hurricanes and changes in law that cause contracts to become null. There's probably some kind of responsibility in these kinds of cases, but it's not going to fall under the usual termination of contract terms. And, whatever responsibilities that exist can be difficult to enforce without the state backing up the wronged party.

Edit: Which is why investors often choose not to invest in companies based in countries that have a history of economic or political instability. It can be difficult to hold someone to their obligations after investing if the state itself isn't going to consistently side with the rule of law. Russian and Chinese investors, for example, were they not already dealing with an even more unpredictable state, would possibly choose not to invest in the US because of unpredictable relations. But, most international investors consider US law to be predictable and stable and safe for investors.

Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The US constitution, Article 1 section 8 http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8 states: "The Congress shall have power... To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes..." Congress has passed such laws, authorizing the President to impose economic sanctions banning trade with countries which pose "any unusual and extraordinary threat, which…

IMHO if your only/main source of news is the western media, you get a very one sided, anti-Russian point of view. Things are really not that black and white, they almost never are in the global politics.

I have read both Western and Russian sources on the conflict.

Let's just say that I find the Western sources on the matter much, much more trustworthy. It's very clear that Russia is running a propaganda campaign, which is apparently reasonably effective within Russia but less convincing when you have access to other sources of information.

The Russian propaganda campaign was even fairly effective at spreading the rumor on Western social media that the Ukrainian opposition movement consisted mostly of fascists, when in reality there was a fascist group that was associated with it but a relatively small percentage overall of the opposition to Yanukovych.

After Russia snuck unmarked Russian soldiers into Crimea, which comes dangerously close to counting as perfidy, it was pretty clear that Russia and Russian sources could not be trusted on this matter.

Now, are you trying to claim that Russia did not send troops onto Ukrainian soil to annex Crimea, and is not supporting the separatists in the east with at least arms and training? Or are you trying to claim that doing so is somehow justified, and if so, under what justification?

Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if they do, would the US government pay off any current contract obligations IBM had to break?

Most contracts have "through no fault of the undersigned" waivers in them. i.e. acts of god or government are often covered in some way within the contract language, making parties not liable for hurricanes and changes in law that cause contracts to become null. There's probably some kind of responsibility in these kinds of cases, but it's not going to fall under the usual termination of contract terms. And, whatever…

A valid contract can't compel one of the parties to engage in illegal activity, can it?

Re: RedHat requests Russian partners to suspend projects under U.S. sanctions

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Ah yes, the well known "topple enemy leaders by restricting their access to Linux tech support" strategy. Gets them every time.

This was a pretty funny comment and I know its ironic, but still it is useful to point out that RedHat has a lot of products, including Middle-ware and cloud solutions that these partners resell for good money. Since Russian business is buying them, it does find them useful and thus sanctions are biting someone.

Food for thought - what are the implications for Russian big-business of being forced out of the global cloud-services infrastructure?

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