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Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by mziulu »

mklappstuhl wrote: post #5
laichzeit0 wrote: post #3

I like that he mentioned CtrlP. It's the single plugin that prevents me from switching to Emacs. There is currently nothing in Emacs (last I played with this was 3 months ago) that is 100% equivalent to CtrlP. There are some close approximations but they're not as good the real deal. I can understand how Emacs guys won't even notice this because they've not worked with something that's better than the best they have,…

Agree. I'm using projectile[1] for now but that somehow messes things up with caching files so that I actually cannot search my project files. I assume that might be a fault on my side though. Have you tried projectile? From reading the Readme this was exactly what I was looking for as a Ctrl-P replacement. [1] https://github.com/bbatsov/projectile

I've had some weird things happen too when searching for files in a project using projectile, I fix it by triggering a refresh of the cache by prefixing with a C-u the C-c p f command.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by kasey_junk »

laichzeit0 wrote: post #3

I like that he mentioned CtrlP. It's the single plugin that prevents me from switching to Emacs. There is currently nothing in Emacs (last I played with this was 3 months ago) that is 100% equivalent to CtrlP. There are some close approximations but they're not as good the real deal. I can understand how Emacs guys won't even notice this because they've not worked with something that's better than the best they have,…

I've actually started preferring the unite plugin over CtrlP even.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by elwell »

Brace yourself, an editor war will follow... and people commenting on the presence of an editor war... like this comment.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by grundprinzip »

I don't know why, I find this post greatly uninformative. Yes, you can have some kind of Vim mode in Emacs (as you can in Sublime) and yes it takes time to remember key-bindings. If you have years of experience in Vim, why would you expect to get used to Emacs keybindings in a short time?

It's like moving to a foreign country and then continue to buy and to eat only your old local food, and go out and talk to only people from your old home. You will miss so much.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by elwell »

Yuioup wrote: post #2

I use Vim on Windows. I tried to learn Emacs but I keep running into roadblocks because of poor Windows compatibility of plugins.

I'm currently a Windows Emacs user. I'm curious, which plugins in particular gave you trouble?

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by mbrock »

asuffield wrote: post #4

Gah, the tutorial keybindings! They are mad. I've been using emacs for a very long time, and I can't imagine using those to navigate. Emacs has perfectly reasonable default keybindings these days, they just aren't the ones mentioned in the tutorial. Command: move down one line What vi uses: j What the emacs tutorial suggests: C-n What I use in emacs: the down arrow

I use C-{n,p,f,b} all the time, though admittedly their placement is more convenient with Dvorak.

Though I also tend to use M-f and M-b a lot to navigate by words instead of characters.

I also often navigate by incremental search.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by cies »

Emacs+Evil is the next Vim.

And yes, CtrlP is probably the thing you'll miss most.

But all the other things I got from switching from Vim to Emacs+Evil easily outweigh the missing CtrlP.

Vim was great, until I wanted to customize it heavily. It is simply not made to facilitate things like: child processes, SSH, understanding my code, a visual interface for Git.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by elwell »

My main concern with Emacs (at least on Windows) is that it actually crashes every now and then. I haven't dealt with many programs in the past few years that do still that.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by phaer »

nick_riviera wrote: post #10

Until it goes wrong or you have to delve into elisp or you get carpal tunnel... After 20 years of switching back and forth I decided I wanted an extensible editor not a programming language with an editor built in. That's worked well for me. I really always just want the simplest thing that will work as I need to rely on it entirely and understand how it works. If I was to use emacs, I'd probably use mg as shipped wi…

> Until it goes wrong

Why? Emacs reports errors fine in my experience and if not it includes a debugger.

> or you have to delve into elisp

What's the problem with elisp? I guess its a matter of preference, but in my opinion elisp is easier to understand than vim script. Emacs includes extensive(!) documentation for it in it's base distribution. Granted, it's a dated language nowadays, but 3rd party libraries - easily installed through elpa - like dash.el and s.el make it a much more pleasant experience.

> or you get carpal tunnel...

Again: Why? This article is about viper-mode which emulates vims key bindings so RSI should be exactly as likely as with vim itself. You could also adapt them to your needs, of course.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by phaer »

cies wrote: post #17

Emacs+Evil is the next Vim. And yes, CtrlP is probably the thing you'll miss most. But all the other things I got from switching from Vim to Emacs+Evil easily outweigh the missing CtrlP. Vim was great, until I wanted to customize it heavily. It is simply not made to facilitate things like: child processes, SSH, understanding my code, a visual interface for Git.

I haven't used CtrlP too much, but what are you missing in ido-mode or helm?
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