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“You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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And this is exactly why I'm trying to find a new place to work. I finally realized after a few years that I need some real mentorship to be fully competent in a research environment (even after an MS), and four years of "trial by fire" in a lab which generates data from a ton of tiny experiments (rather than a few larger experiments) with 100 biologists and only two of us bioinformaticians, and a pile of ten years worth of old microarray data that no one has any sample annotation for (but it's invaluable!)-- was less of a constructive learning experience than it seemed like it was going to be. I need to find/create an environment that will allow me to use the motivation I know I used to have for this.

So for anyone from a CS-oriented background, or who is thinking of doing a degree program in bioinformatics that isn't oriented around research- try to help out in various labs, and find a good mentor. See what environments work best for you, and what sort of problems you want to apply yourself to. The field is developing far faster than most college programs can move, but by getting out there and seeing what skills/knowledge will actually be useful, you can work on filling in the gaps sooner.

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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post #4

Is anyone else irked whenever someone uses "data" as a plural? It's an uncountable singular for chrissake!

Do you have evidence? If so, I'd like to see those data.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/data

Languages change slowly over time. I find myself using plural data when I'm talking science and singular data when I'm talking about hard drives. Hadn't noticed until your post!

Strange isn't it?

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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post #4

Is anyone else irked whenever someone uses "data" as a plural? It's an uncountable singular for chrissake!

Honestly, I am only irked when people insist that data must be used as a singular or that it must be used as a plural. You'll find it listed both ways in good dictionaries:

> Both constructions are standard. The plural construction is more common in print, evidently because the house style of several publishers mandates it.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/data

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have evidence? If so, I'd like to see those data.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/data Languages change slowly over time. I find myself using plural data when I'm talking science and singular data when I'm talking about hard drives. Hadn't noticed until your post! Strange isn't it?

I have always used the plural data when talking about scientific data. Years of writing papers pretty much drilled that into my fingers.

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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post #3

It isn't just Bioinformatics. Working at the edge of a research group doing technical work that no one else can comprehend can be very difficult and lonely. Don't underestimate the utility of a technical mentor that can understand what it is that you are doing. The silver lining is that you can have a lot of freedom in what you learn and what you do and that you can become completely indispensable.

In general anybody who's really good at data analysis and is willing to be collaborative need not worry about finding employment in the foreseeable future.

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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The field is slowly coming around. I've been very harsh when peer-reviewing papers without proper code release and documentation. I know that I'm not alone. Both investigators and funding agencies are starting to understand the message. This is especially true as older folks retire and a new computationally-savvy group of folks ascends into senior positions on editorial boards, faculty review panels, and grant review…

I'm hoping so.

I got a MS degree in Bioinformatics and for the past three years the only role it has served is collecting dust in my closet upstairs :)

I was the young bioinformatician in 2006 and when working in a lab it felt very isolating. The PI and Postdocs just had me solve simple computational problems (or even IT problems). It felt very much like I was a cog in their grant writing machine rather than a collaborator that deserved any kind of authorship in a publication.

And looking back there was no one to teach me about good practices of writing software like source control, SOLID, testing, etc. Or even storage of our microarrays.

I eventually went to work for a biotech consultancy but I discovered that biotech software was a gimmick used to hike up the prices on software. Sure it was a niche field but we would charge clients hundreds of thousands of dollars for software that was barely functional.

I think a lot of Research groups were badly burned by this and eventually started trying to do everything in house. I eventually became disillusioned/burned out and left the field entirely.

I've been out of the field for four years now but still feel badly as I felt I've wasted my training. I still have a retainer client as a way back 'in' back into bioinformatics.

It would be nice to find these 'bioinformatics groups' and see how they're successfully collaborating with other labs/research groups.

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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post #2

The end of the post: "If you are leading a project that creates huge amounts of data, instead of employing a bioinformatician in your own group, why not collaborate with an existing bioinformatics group and fund a post there?" If that's your goal, perhaps using a less derisive and incendiary tone towards the straw man scientist in the post would've been good?

As someone who's worked with micro biologists I can assure you it's not a straw man.

Re: “You’re not allowed bioinformatics anymore”

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post #2

The end of the post: "If you are leading a project that creates huge amounts of data, instead of employing a bioinformatician in your own group, why not collaborate with an existing bioinformatics group and fund a post there?" If that's your goal, perhaps using a less derisive and incendiary tone towards the straw man scientist in the post would've been good?

The "strawman scientist" has tenure--I'm sure they can take it.

Given the behavior and stories of lots of PIs and advisors, and how they treat grad students these days (especially in biology and medicine), I'm not sure that we need to be sticking up for them.

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