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No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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post #7

It's taunting, and a natural part of competition. Men taunt each other just as much, if not more. Get over it. If you can't get over it, don't play with people you don't know.

I fully expected to see this here but it's still depressing to be correct.

This is not "taunting". Threats of rape and violence are criminal acts.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#12
post #7

It's taunting, and a natural part of competition. Men taunt each other just as much, if not more. Get over it. If you can't get over it, don't play with people you don't know.

Seriously??? Did you even read the article? You pretty much verbatim described Case Study #1.

Taunting is saying IN A GAME "I'm going to beat you". Real Death Threats don't constitute "taunting". There is a reason people do it anonymously, cause there are real issues with it.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#13
post #8

What should a game studio to do counter this and make its employees safe from it?

Safe from what? People's right to free speech? Abolish the Constitution, I guess.

Death and rape threats are not protected speech.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#14
post #7

It's taunting, and a natural part of competition. Men taunt each other just as much, if not more. Get over it. If you can't get over it, don't play with people you don't know.

Just in case you don't know, you're part of the problem.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#15
post #7

It's taunting, and a natural part of competition. Men taunt each other just as much, if not more. Get over it. If you can't get over it, don't play with people you don't know.

I fully expected to see this here but it's still depressing to be correct. This is not "taunting". Threats of rape and violence are criminal acts.

If you think you have a case, file charges.

But that would be inconvenient if you made up the fiction of harassment to push your agenda or sell your product, wouldn't it?

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#16
post #8

What should a game studio to do counter this and make its employees safe from it?

Safe from what? People's right to free speech? Abolish the Constitution, I guess.

The right to free speech does not entail the right to stalk, harass, and threaten. There are long established limits.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#17
> I lead a development studio that makes games. Sometimes, I write about issues in the games industry that relate to the equality of women. My reward is that I regularly have men threatening to rape and commit acts of violence against me.

My suspicion is that she is not threatened because she leads a development studio, but because she is a writer. She's not asking for it, but she is making herself a public figure and they are usually targets of such behaviour.

I'd hope that the women I work with aren't regularly getting rape threats from my co-workers...

> I’ve personally never heard of a man in the games industry getting rape threats for having an opinion.

Because men are not women, and women are not men, it goes a little something like this: rape is an act of power (not sexual satisfaction). The threat of rape is the threat of asserting power over someone else. When these lowlifes are offended by a woman, they respond with the animal instinct of threatening to overpower them and rape is the closely available tool. None of them would actually ever have the guts to rape, I'm sure.

When men have contrarian opinions, rape is not threatened, but a whole chain of events occurs, the purpose of which is to remove as much power as possible from that man.

Consider famous causes that you know of where men who are not independently wealthy and have voiced opinions that are controversial to some. What happened to them? They were fired, demoted, jailed, investigated etc. The PyCon case some time back comes to mind.

Consider famous cases of women who did the same. What happened to them? Threats of rape. The same woman involved in the PyCon case, I'll bet, received rape threats. Additionally, she did get fired because she was a public spokesperson for her company.

These threats are about asserting power over dissenting viewpoints in a bid to make yours dominant. You perhaps won't outright hear of a man getting threatened with rape, except maybe in prison or during a competitive game, but you will definitely hear of men being hurt in different ways for having opinions that make people uncomfortable.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#18
It's depressing that the first few top level comments here have been deleted due to their ridiculous content, people presumably read the article then decided to post things like "its banter, get over it. Men deal with it all the time".

Just shows how deep the problem goes I guess.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#19

What should a game studio to do counter this and make its employees safe from it?

I think that's a good question, but what practical things can an employer do here? The harassment isn't really happening "at" work, it's coming in through tumblr and personal blogs. And (I hope!!) the people sending these threats are not other employees.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

#20
I would argue that men don't get rape threats because most men don't see rape as a realistic threat to themselves.

Instead, we have our masculinity, loyalty, abilities, work ethic, and/or integrity attacked, because those are the things that cut us to the core.

I'm not saying that women don't care about those things, I'm just saying that when someone is trying to be a dick they're going to go after the lowest hanging fruit.

Of course, I think we all need to keep working to end this kind of harassment. We all know it exists, and most of us guys disapprove of it, but few of us are taking the extra step of saying "that's not ok, dude" when it happens.

In the meantime, I've had some pretty hurtful/maddening stuff directed at me in the past by a group of people online, and I learned that you either take the Phil Fish route and flame out, or you have to find some way to distance yourself emotionally from the bullshit or ignore it. It's fucked up, but you have to protect your sanity until the problem is fixed (which it might never be).

Edit: Unrelated to the topic, but it's interesting how this comment got a large number of upvotes before the downvote brigade started trickling in. I'm not anti-feminist here, folks. Just trying to elaborate on the discussion and hopefully learn some things.

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