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My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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I get (and like) Uber. On the other hand, I do not really get UberX. What is the difference to any other taxi I order by using an app (and there are many such apps now in most cities, at least in Western Europe)? I have used UberX too and most drivers told me that we were not accepted for Uber, so they were driving for UberX in the hope of making it to Uber later. That would also explain part of your experience, i.e.…

I use UberX when I wasn't able to book far enough in advance for Ubicab, AddisonLee thinks it'll be > 15 minutes until they can send someone, or if I need one in a hurry and there's one near by. Reliably cheaper than Hailo.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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This is why you don't have "conversations" with law enforcement. If it actually was illegal, even if you didn't know, you just confessed to a crime and they can use what you just told them against you. ps. reality-check, this dude paid $100 to basically get across town and eventually back - this is not how most of the rest of the world lives

I guess most larger companies pay their employees taxi trips to/from the airport.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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This is why you don't have "conversations" with law enforcement. If it actually was illegal, even if you didn't know, you just confessed to a crime and they can use what you just told them against you. ps. reality-check, this dude paid $100 to basically get across town and eventually back - this is not how most of the rest of the world lives

Reality check, this dude had taken a plane and needed transport around his destination - this is very much how people live when on a trip. This is perfectly normal behavior in most of the world, especially when it's a trip for business purposes. The only change is that the price of travel varies extremely between countries.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For a professional driver, speeding, especially when driving a customer, should be an absolute no-go." That does not describe my experience with taxi drivers at all. They speed a lot and customers expect them to speed when they hurry somewhere. (I do not live in USA)

Agreed. I've spent a ridiculous portion of the last 4 years in taxis and liveries in the NYC metro area and a few other major cities in the US and several in western Europe. Speeding has been an absolute constant; no exceptions whatsoever. Is there actually a place where taxis do not default to pushing speeds to the highest extent possible?

In Abu Dhabi there is fleet of taxis which are "GPS controlled". The driver stayed exactly at the speed limit on an empty 4 lane highway at night for half an hour. Somebody in their operating center probably has a job to watch the drivers.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I've spent a ridiculous portion of the last 4 years in taxis and liveries in the NYC metro area and a few other major cities in the US and several in western Europe. Speeding has been an absolute constant; no exceptions whatsoever. Is there actually a place where taxis do not default to pushing speeds to the highest extent possible?

In Abu Dhabi there is fleet of taxis which are "GPS controlled". The driver stayed exactly at the speed limit on an empty 4 lane highway at night for half an hour. Somebody in their operating center probably has a job to watch the drivers.

Or they might log the speed every n seconds and store it in a file for a program to analyse later.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Here's a better headline: "My Uber gor pulled over by the Denver Police, and the officer mistakenly told us Uber is illegal." Maybe not so many clicks that way, though.

I agree that this was a rather unfortunate and odd experience, but I don't see what the big deal is. The only thing that struck me as "really weird" about this is that the author called a Denver Post reporter to get live legal information while he was in the car, and that the author wrote this sentence: "Did I really want to take a ride from an individual who clearly lied to me, then was evasive when I asked one basic question?" (Did it ever occur to the author that the cop might just have been mistaken about Uber's legality? Did it occur to him the the officer was just trying to do him a favor?)

At the end of the day, we have a cop who pulled an Uber driver over for speeding and, though he mistakenly thought Uber was illegal, nonetheless only issued a speeding ticket and offered to drive the passenger to the airport. The author goes out of his way to pain the officer as behaving "really weirdly," and I suppose I don't see why the officer needed the passenger's ID (though I also would not be surprised to learn that it is totally normal for an officer to request a passenger's ID), but for the most part this seems like everyone did their jobs properly.

Of course, in a perfect world, an officer would know everything about Colorado law. But that is clearly unrealistic. So while yes, of course, it would be preferable for an officer to be properly informed about Uber's legality, I don't think we should be judging him too harshly for his mistake, especially when it sounds like Colorado has only recently legalized Uber, and the officer did not attempt to ticket or detain anyone for the purported violation.

Edit: By the way, the Colorado law imposes a number of requirements. Companies must obtain permits, drivers must display various notices and "[t]o obtain permits, the companies must have drivers pass criminal-background and driving-history checks. The drivers' cars must pass vehicle inspections, and be clearly marked as ['transportation network company'] cars. The drivers must also carry personal car insurance, in addition to the commercial insurance Uber and Lyft provide." http://gazette.com/uber-lyft-become-regulated-in-colorado/ar... Nothing in the article on whether Uber, or his Uber driver, has complied. The officer could well have been correct (though perhaps not for the reason he was thinking). Here's the bill itself: http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2014a/csl.nsf/fsbillco...

Edit 2: From the City of Denver's traffic enforcement FAQ: "Depending on the circumstances, officers may request identification from passengers as well." http://www.denvergov.org/police/PoliceDepartment/TrafficEnfo...

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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This is why you don't have "conversations" with law enforcement. If it actually was illegal, even if you didn't know, you just confessed to a crime and they can use what you just told them against you. ps. reality-check, this dude paid $100 to basically get across town and eventually back - this is not how most of the rest of the world lives

One possibly useful data point is this is Denver Colorado and the "local" airport for Denver can be a good 30-40 mile drive depending on where your Denver side destination is located. Its entirely possible he's only paying $1/mile or so which isn't all that bad for door to door service. Or put another way the driver is only grossing in revenue maybe $30/hour and has expenses and probably doesn't earn revenue 8 hours per day anyway.

On a semi-regular basis I used to take the train to Chicago and the train station is across the street from the corporate office in the formerly named sears tower. Also historically I've taken the train to the NYC Hope conference which is also across the street from the NYC train station. Air travel isn't as convenient as taking the train or a bus...

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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This is why you don't have "conversations" with law enforcement. If it actually was illegal, even if you didn't know, you just confessed to a crime and they can use what you just told them against you. ps. reality-check, this dude paid $100 to basically get across town and eventually back - this is not how most of the rest of the world lives

Reality check, this dude had taken a plane and needed transport around his destination - this is very much how people live when on a trip. This is perfectly normal behavior in most of the world, especially when it's a trip for business purposes. The only change is that the price of travel varies extremely between countries.

No, I can safely say there are billions (with a b) of people in this world who could never afford to take a $100 car ride across town and back.

If you think this is normal, you are in an elite group and only use people in your group to compare to. Even if there are a million people in that group, it is still elite.

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