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Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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I've noticed a lot of Americans moving here to Dublin, Ireland the past few years - most seem to be 30+ though and career focussed. I suspect younger Americans are attracted to destinations like California, China and Continental Europe. I guess Americans who don't mind the rain and grey skies would find it easy to settle here - English speaking, high quality of life, great education prospects for children. I have to…

As an American expat who lived in Dublin for 2 years working at Microsoft, Ireland is garbage.

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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post #11
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I've noticed a lot of Americans moving here to Dublin, Ireland the past few years - most seem to be 30+ though and career focussed. I suspect younger Americans are attracted to destinations like California, China and Continental Europe. I guess Americans who don't mind the rain and grey skies would find it easy to settle here - English speaking, high quality of life, great education prospects for children. I have to…

As an American expat who lived in Dublin for 2 years working at Microsoft, Ireland is garbage.

Can you be more specific?

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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I'm building a website that seeks to answer this question and similar questions through user self-reporting of slow travel and expat experiences.

http://www.istorical.com

A post by a Brit who moved to Prague:

http://www.istorical.com/countries/czech-republic/experience...

An American's experiences moving to Germany:

http://www.istorical.com/cities/berlin/experiences/138

A couple of interesting posts about life in Japan:

http://www.istorical.com/countries/japan/experiences/49

http://www.istorical.com/countries/japan/experiences/78

There are only ~150 or so posts so far but I think there's already a lot of interesting insight and stories to read!

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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Living in another country is way, way different from going on a vacation in another country. You're removed from the tourist infrastructure that caters to foreigners and you've got to deal with all of the country's bureaucratic procedures and regulations (even simple things like renting an apartment vary ridiculously from country to country). The same places that are fascinating and fun for foreigners to visit are often stressful and annoying for foreigners to live in. Not speaking the native language makes this all the more stressful and bringing people with you that speak your language makes it a lot less likely you'll learn the native language well.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's a reason packing off to a completely different country and successfully 'going native' is usually done by single people right out of college who haven't yet experienced a lot of success in their own country. Yes, plenty of older, more-established people do migrate for economic or political reasons, but they usually end up living in ethnic and linguistic enclaves.

My advice? Pick another country that uses English as their primary language, so you don't have that stress going for you, and pick one that's economically developed, so you don't have that stress going for you. You'll still have to adapt to the local bureaucracy, but at least you'll have a fighting chance to understand it. Many English-speaking countries use a points-based system for immigration that favors skilled workers, so you'll also have a much better chance of getting permanent residency.

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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You are asking a lot of questions but it would help people to understand what you are looking for (or what you are moving away from). If you are looking for almost USA that is not USA, then Canada. If you are looking for a good climate outside of USA then Australia. Or France, or Italy, but then you will need to learn the language. If you are looking for low expenses, then India, Thailand, or Vietnam. If you are look…

I saw a lot of American expats in Chiang Mai, Thailand. It's much more laid back than Bangkok or the beach cities, and it's gorgeous up there. They seemed to be having a great time.

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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I'm building a website that seeks to answer this question and similar questions through user self-reporting of slow travel and expat experiences. http://www.istorical.com A post by a Brit who moved to Prague: http://www.istorical.com/countries/czech-republic/experience... An American's experiences moving to Germany: http://www.istorical.com/cities/berlin/experiences/138 A couple of interesting posts about life in Jap…

Nice. I'll check it out, so bookmarked!

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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You are asking a lot of questions but it would help people to understand what you are looking for (or what you are moving away from). If you are looking for almost USA that is not USA, then Canada. If you are looking for a good climate outside of USA then Australia. Or France, or Italy, but then you will need to learn the language. If you are looking for low expenses, then India, Thailand, or Vietnam. If you are look…

> India, Thailand, or Vietnam

Getting a work permit in SE Asia could be a major pain, or so I've heard.

Re: Ask HN: Good countries for American expats

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I'll give you what I know:

I moved to Norway almost a year ago from the midwest US: I absolutely love it here and have no plans on returning to live. I can't give much career advise as I'm not working, but there are tech jobs in oil and naval industries from what I can gather. Being from the US, you will need a job before you move. I didn't have many moving expenses because honestly, I decided it was better to give my stuff away than to ship it plus I moved for marriage, so I had less to consider. Schools are good and higher education is free as well. The process seemed simple to get my residence permit: The most difficult part was waiting. I don't get permanent residency until a minimum of 3 years: until then renewal each year, mostly a process of a form, an interview perhaps, and some waiting. We do rent, as do most people here - I think we are paying around 8,000kr ($1300USD) and that is on the cheap end - though I'm in Trondheim and housing is cheaper outside of the city. Everything is expensive - I gave up trying to convert to USD and just learned the economy like I would a game. Though the actual cost of living is more here, the quality of life I have is greatly improved. I can walk everywhere safely. Public transportation is excellent - not having a vehicle is definitely not all that restrictive. Healthy food is the cheap food and healthcare is universal. I'm not fluent yet. It is important to learn (I start language classes next month) but isn't always required in some industries. Eating out is a rare treat because it is always expensive - but on the other hand, a good latte is cheaper than a bus ride. Yes, I do choose to walk with coffee instead of riding a bus at times. Nature is absolutely free - it is almost too bad I wasn't more of an outdoors person. Some of these I'm sure carry over to other countries: I imagine most people don't have dreams of living in the arctic, which comes with its own advantages/disadvantages depending on viewpoint.

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