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How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

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Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#11
If it were me, I probably wouldn't mention my intent to finish the PhD, since that says "if you hire me, I'm planning to leave at some point."

Not that everyone isn't planning to leave at some point, but it's probably not the best message to send up front.

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#13
> How can one emphasize that it wasn't a 'drop out', but rather 'decided to leave'?

There is no difference between these two things, unless you're focusing on the not always implied "dropped out before I got kicked out." Realistically, this is not something you can emphasize until the interview. With a completed MSc, assuming you're in a STEM field, it will not be difficult to get to the interview step at least as often as you would without that year of PhD study.

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#14
Just mention PhD on your CV and job application as "deferred" and number of years completed or remaining. I do the same on mine with MBA. It makes for interesting conversation during interview as I only had two more quarters to complete MBA before dropping out.

Also don't mention dissatisfaction with PhD advisor et al, doesn't sound good. Instead focus on why PhD wasn't in line with your expectations at that point in your life.

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#15
My narrative has always been "I could do research about building cool software or I could actually build cool software. I've opted to build things because that's what I enjoy more. I still keep up with research in my area of interest, but what really gets me excited is building new things."

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#16
> What would be a recruiters' PoV on this issue?

A typical recruiter is primarily concerned with finding a good match for his client. His role is to quickly ascertain -

1) Can you do the job? 2) Will you enjoy the job? 3) Can we handle working/living with you?

Relative to your PhD program, it's enough to say after several years on the academic track, I've decided it's time to transition into the private sector. No need to dwell on the dead-end or future plans.

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#17

There's probably a bias towards hiring a Ph.D. dropout than an actual Ph.D.--you've just demonstrated the ability to be pragmatic, which industry prizes. Don't stress about it.

I'd like to see a source that grounds that line of thinking in the real world. Of course, one could see the situation that way, but I see no reason why you couldn't also argue, for instance, that he has proven he's unable to follow any kind of activity that has not been set in a rigid path beforehand. Or that he only went to University to party[1]. I made those up, of course, which is why I wonder if there's a source…

Yeah, it'd be nice to see related stats. In the absence of them, I can only speak for the interviewing and hiring I've done, i.e., my own bias. That bias generally is that with a Ph.D.-no-work-experience-hire, I'll have just hired someone who's extraordinarily knowledgeable and capable in some aspects of job performance (research, algorithm analysis, etc.) and almost helpless in others (teamwork, version control, reading code they didn't write, writing code to be maintainable over time, letting well enough alone). Such wild disparity in skill levels can be hard to manage.

(I do think colleges are generally getting better at making sure students have some of these skills, and GitHub's popularity has also helped. So, hopefully this bias becomes obsolete.)

Someone who starts down the Ph.D. path, then says, "you know what? that's not for me right now", has just demonstrated some uncommon wisdom and self-awareness.

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#18
How far along in the program requirements were you? You may not have gotten this far, but for others reading the thread I'll point out that I've seen some people list "PhD (ABD [1])" on their resumes. You could also just list that year as additional graduate work.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_but_dissertation

Re: How to apply with a PhD that is 'on hold'

#19
I always just said that I left for a few semesters for financial reasons, and discovered that I preferred industry over academia. It has the virtue of being the truth (for me), and no one will ever press you to explain your finances.
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