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Company with zero revenue and one employee currently worth 3.8B

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Re: Company with zero revenue and one employee currently worth 3.8B

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I'm no investor and don't plan to invest for the foreseeable future, but out of curiosity: Wouldn't it theoretically make sense to go short on something so obviously bloated?

No. But that is a very good and common question.

The stock has to come from somewhere, which is usually the broker who finds someone to borrow the stock from and loans it to you to sell. There must be someone willing to loan that stock at the high price, and most likely the price won't stay that high for long.

You must then purchase the same amount of shares of that stock to give back (cover) to your broker who gives those shares back to whoever they borrowed them from.

There would be lots of fees involved (many brokers charge per share) and it would be very difficult to find someone to lend out this stock for someone to sell for the promise of the same number of shares at a future (most like lower) price.

If you do find someone to long you the shares then there's the high chance that the person who longs the stock to you is the main investor and they will drive the price higher by using their traditional techniques (spam, deception, promises of fortune), and then they would demand their stock back and you'd lose money.

It would be extremely unwise to short-sell a penny stock unless you really know what you're doing, the potential loss is infinite.

Re: Company with zero revenue and one employee currently worth 3.8B

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post #7

It's almost certainly a pump and dump operation or a target of opportunity by a pump and dump operation. Assuming it doesn't get delisted by the SEC first, it will continue for a few days and then suddenly lose 98%+ percent of that valuation in a matter of hours. Edit: Yep, see their financial statement. https://www.otciq.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf... It's even worse than you would otherwise think.

The total assets $39 bit is quality

Re: Company with zero revenue and one employee currently worth 3.8B

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post #8
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its common to go from maybe 1mm mcap to 40mm but not all the way to 4bn. To cross a bn valuation is insane.

Presumably if a company issues 4 billion shares to the founder, who sells a single share for a dollar, the company has a 4 billion dollar market cap? Of course I'm sure anyone trading stocks seriously would see through such a ruse immediately.

Part of the reason why pink sheets is such nonsense.

Re: Company with zero revenue and one employee currently worth 3.8B

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post #7

It's almost certainly a pump and dump operation or a target of opportunity by a pump and dump operation. Assuming it doesn't get delisted by the SEC first, it will continue for a few days and then suddenly lose 98%+ percent of that valuation in a matter of hours. Edit: Yep, see their financial statement. https://www.otciq.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf... It's even worse than you would otherwise think.

Another possibility is some kind of money laundering scheme. I've heard rumors before of money laundering techniques where you basically sort of commit financial fraud against yourself using sock puppet shell companies or other entities, allowing clean-money-side sock puppets to book gains at the expense of dirty-money sock puppets.

Re: Company with zero revenue and one employee currently worth 3.8B

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It's pretty common in penny stocks. It's usually a scam to say "this stock has jumped 4000% in the last 12 hours!". Very commonly, the owner of the company puts a bunch of money in to inflate the stock, waits for others to continue inflating the stock, then sells it all for a quick profit.

SEC? Hello? I mean, are there really people (probably organized crime) who just run this scam over and over again in the OTC boards?

Yet the SEC won't let us crowd-sell stock in startups that at least intend to try to actually do something.

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