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First they came for the Whistleblowers, and I did not speak out

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Re: First they came for the Whistleblowers, and I did not speak out

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The Snowden documents revealed that Germans visiting the Tor project website would be subject to permanent NSA surveillance. Does that make you more or less likely to click the link below? If the answer is "less likely", how does it feel to be intimidated out of your free expression? https://www.torproject.org/

How is clicking on a link to a project you have no interest in "free expression"?

Re: First they came for the Whistleblowers, and I did not speak out

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The Snowden documents revealed that Germans visiting the Tor project website would be subject to permanent NSA surveillance. Does that make you more or less likely to click the link below? If the answer is "less likely", how does it feel to be intimidated out of your free expression? https://www.torproject.org/

How is clicking on a link to a project you have no interest in "free expression"?

"I can click on it any time I want, I just choose not to."

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> They celebrated 4th of July yesterday, celebrated their freedom and liberty as their government takes away those core values.

For most Americans it's a day of barbecues, fireworks, and beer without much (if any) thought or celebration of freedom and liberty.

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As an American, I don't think there's a way to stop this through the democratic process: If a whistle blower publishes details showing the government is running "Project X", and we "kick the bastards out" that authorized it via the ballot process, and the government shuts down "Project X" as a result, all the NSA needs to do is rename it "Project Y". I'm seriously at a loss as to what to do about this problem.

Take to the streets then, peaceful protest, make noise, make it aware to every man woman and child that this is an important issue, that your freedom is something you value. Peaceful assembly with a forceful message is one of the only ways this can be changed, Americans need to stand up and be heard or it's only ever going to get worse.

Re: First they came for the Whistleblowers, and I did not speak out

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It is garden variety cognitive dissonance. Which isn't limited to Americans.

On this specific issue it's pretty limited to America, not much other countries can do to fix the NSA issue

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As an American, I don't think there's a way to stop this through the democratic process: If a whistle blower publishes details showing the government is running "Project X", and we "kick the bastards out" that authorized it via the ballot process, and the government shuts down "Project X" as a result, all the NSA needs to do is rename it "Project Y". I'm seriously at a loss as to what to do about this problem.

You get good people in at the top that actually reform things and change the organizational culture. It's very fixable. We've already come a very long way. The FBI used to blackmail politicians. The CIA used to frequently replace foreign leaders and even pulled that trick on us one time.

Now we have a much more subtle form of unconstitutional behavior. Like Bush before him, Obama thinks it's his "#1 job is to protect America." He forgot that he swore an oath making it his #1 job to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution."

Better technology will provide us real privacy, an informed society, and eventually the truly free countries all humans deserve.

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> They celebrated 4th of July yesterday, celebrated their freedom and liberty as their government takes away those core values. For most Americans it's a day of barbecues, fireworks, and beer without much (if any) thought or celebration of freedom and liberty.

Really? I can't click on any link on the web about Independence Day without being bombarded with messages about freedom and liberty which leads me to believe that it is in the minds of US citizens when this day comes about

Re: First they came for the Whistleblowers, and I did not speak out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is garden variety cognitive dissonance. Which isn't limited to Americans.

On this specific issue it's pretty limited to America, not much other countries can do to fix the NSA issue

Yeah, sure. But you pointed at Americans specifically for succumbing to cognitive dissonance. It is a human flaw, not an American one. Therefore, your musing amounts to: why do humans in general espouse contradictory viewpoints?

It's certainly a valid musing, but its scope is far broader than you were letting on. (At least, that was how I read it.)

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