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Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are ACE schools in the UK teaching creationism as science: http://www.christian-education.org/christian-education/curri... http://www.christian-education.org/schools/choosing-a-school...

Well OK it seems there are a handful, e.g http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/nov/30/... ... but I just wanted to highlight that the situation in the UK is generally very different to the USA.

It's unlawful to teach religion in public schools in the US.

Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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Politics. Religion. Valence issue. Why is this on the front page of HN? It shouldn't be; I flagged it.

I see no reason for your comment, specially when the guidelines are clear about these types of contributions.

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Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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I posted this link as a new thread, but i think it is worth posting this also here, http://www.elisoriano.com/blog/new-truths-belie-evolution-ev... Would love to hear what the HN community thought on the arguments.

"Ludicrous"?

Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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post #14

I posted this link as a new thread, but i think it is worth posting this also here, http://www.elisoriano.com/blog/new-truths-belie-evolution-ev... Would love to hear what the HN community thought on the arguments.

"Ludicrous"?

Did you read it? Which one did you find ludicrous?

Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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I posted this link as a new thread, but i think it is worth posting this also here, http://www.elisoriano.com/blog/new-truths-belie-evolution-ev... Would love to hear what the HN community thought on the arguments.

Speaking for myself, I don't understand understand how people can choose a book of questionable origin and authenticity as their authority on matters concerning life and death.

Whatever that page is trying to say has most likely already been addressed here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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I posted this link as a new thread, but i think it is worth posting this also here, http://www.elisoriano.com/blog/new-truths-belie-evolution-ev... Would love to hear what the HN community thought on the arguments.

I am a bioinformatician with a background in genetics.

The argument against evolution in the article, mainly the piltdown man hoax and new sequencing data on neanderthal is extremely weak.

I don't think a single example of scientific fraud is enough to discredit the entire community. I actually think the fact that the fraud was found out as a hoax shows that evidence is constantly being scrutinized and re-examined; which is exactly what science should be all about.

The point about sequence similarity/dis-similarity being not the ultimate evidence for common ancestry is actually an insightful point; however, I doubt the author of the article realized the insight. He was probably just parroting a statement he read in another article. I don't think you can make a strong statement about homology between genomes using only 65,000 bases of sequence from potentially heavily degraded sample. I think it is just an interesting starting point for further analysis with more data.

The rest of the article dealt with interpreting biblical statements to fit with current undeniable understanding of the universe. IE. Man is made from dust is consistent with humans being consisted of elements found in dust (crust) of the earth. I am sure it sounds nice to people who believe in the bible. But it makes me wonder what these interpretations will look like in a hundred years. Are these interpretations going to change with new understandings of the universe? Is the bible just full of vague statements that can constantly adapt to new understanding of the world? What good is that really?

I've always wondered what a creationist view of biology would look like. There are plenty of attacks against evolution, but never any clear explanation of how their belief system is in accordance with current data. Do new species suddenly pop into existence from nothing by god? Do god specifically implant new species into the womb of a surrogate specie? Why does god invent bunch of new species in the first place? Why not modify the environment to suit the species rather than modify species to suit the environment? I think creationism hides behind a wall of hand-wavy and foggy ideas that breaks down when explicitly examined.

Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Ludicrous"?

Did you read it? Which one did you find ludicrous?

"Elements and minerals found in our body is exactly what are stated in the Bible that we came from the dust (crust) of the earth."

The two pie charts for the Earth's crust look pretty different to me - although the fact that the same colour is used for different elements in the two charts is obviously trying to hide this (the only consistently coloured one is oxygen).

Re: Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools

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I wonder how accurate it is to say this is for "all UK schools" as education is pretty heavily devolved in the UK - Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales all have their own counterparts to the Department of Education:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_Education#Devolu...

NB As an aside, from a UK perspective the title is a bit confusing as "public schools" are private schools here. "State schools" would probably be more accurate - even if there are 4 "states" involved.... :-)

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