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Re: All Our Patent Are Belong To You

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"Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology." What exactly does that little "in good faith" clause mean in there?

Until clarified, it kind of reads like "independently came up with the same idea, but did not research patents or reach out to us for licensing first."

I think it reads more generally, as in "for any purpose whatsoever except patent litigation".

Re: All Our Patent Are Belong To You

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post #3

> Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. I'm not familiar with US legislation, but from my perspective this is just Musk on his soap-box making a statement. It's not something I can rely on while building a business that possibly (!) infringes one of Tesla's patents. They may retract their statement and reconsider at any time, especially when times get…

Since this statement comes from a Chairman and a CEO, wouldn't a breach of this promise be considered as a form of bait and switch? I mean, he publicly advertises a certain promise in a function of a key operative from the company.

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post #3

> Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. I'm not familiar with US legislation, but from my perspective this is just Musk on his soap-box making a statement. It's not something I can rely on while building a business that possibly (!) infringes one of Tesla's patents. They may retract their statement and reconsider at any time, especially when times get…

Would this not be a get out of court free card in any lawsuit Tesla would try to start?

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post #3

> Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. I'm not familiar with US legislation, but from my perspective this is just Musk on his soap-box making a statement. It's not something I can rely on while building a business that possibly (!) infringes one of Tesla's patents. They may retract their statement and reconsider at any time, especially when times get…

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These are big words, even coming from the extreme underdog in the auto industry. What exactly is Elon committing to here? Is Tesla planning on releasing any design documentation, or technical specifications or manufacturing process information? It's great that they won't enforce patents in an effort to not stifle innovation, but do they plan on taking any actions that will encourage innovation ?

Their patents and patent applications will be published and should (in theory) enable someone to practice the inventions they cover.

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post #5

Didn't Twitter declare something similar? Is there anything they can do that's binding outside of a declarative 'we won't sue you unless...' statement?

Yes, they could hand over the patents to RPX, and pay the annual fee; instead of 'as protection' it would be 'as a donation to the public'. Perhaps an odd use of RPX, but it would be really effective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPX_Corporation

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post #9

In the biotech space there exists a system called "patentleft" which theoretically provides royalty-free licensing of patents with the stipulation that any derivative works / improvements also be licensed under the same terms. Seems like there is good potential to build on the momentum of Tesla's announcement to formalize the process, and answer the questions that I'm sure will emerge in this thread - eg more akin to…

How common is this - are there any well known examples? (If so, they're not in wikipedia!)

Re: All Our Patent Are Belong To You

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post #3

> Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. I'm not familiar with US legislation, but from my perspective this is just Musk on his soap-box making a statement. It's not something I can rely on while building a business that possibly (!) infringes one of Tesla's patents. They may retract their statement and reconsider at any time, especially when times get…

I agree, but not necessarily because Musk might randomly change his mind. The problem is if Tesla runs out of money they must sell these patents to another company whose CEO might not have the same outlook.

Longer term, the other problem is when Musk retires/dies. Of course, that probably wont affect any current patents, but it could to future ones.

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post #5

Didn't Twitter declare something similar? Is there anything they can do that's binding outside of a declarative 'we won't sue you unless...' statement?

IIRC, Twitter's approach was to also give the inventor a transferable license to the patent. That way if Twitter used it offensively, the inventor could independently license the patent to the company who was being sued.
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