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iCloud for Developers

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Re: iCloud for Developers

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Question: who owns the data stored with iCloud? Do developers still get to own their data, or is it going to be subject to sniffing from Apple?

And more importantly, how do you export your data and move it to a different provider? How do you take your app that relies on CloudKit and make it cross platform? If the answer is "you can't, this is only meant to help the Apple ecosystem", I'm not sure of the broad usefulness of this.

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Question: who owns the data stored with iCloud? Do developers still get to own their data, or is it going to be subject to sniffing from Apple?

Why would Apple care about your data? They do not make money off ad sales, they make money off platform adoption.

A private and secure platform results in more adoption.

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In the iCloud world, a user pays for his storage space directly to Apple. That will be an interesting shift for startups. There will be no backend expenses on a per user basis. How to monetize the user is still wide open, but Apple will be covering the storage and server tab. (With money added from heavy users. Casual users needn't pay.) The dark side of this is that there doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or…

Is storage that large a problem for most startups, though?

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In the iCloud world, a user pays for his storage space directly to Apple. That will be an interesting shift for startups. There will be no backend expenses on a per user basis. How to monetize the user is still wide open, but Apple will be covering the storage and server tab. (With money added from heavy users. Casual users needn't pay.) The dark side of this is that there doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or…

Is storage that large a problem for most startups, though?

That's a complex question.

I think the shortest answer is "no.. but a small percentage of users use very large amounts which can end up as a problem".

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In the iCloud world, a user pays for his storage space directly to Apple. That will be an interesting shift for startups. There will be no backend expenses on a per user basis. How to monetize the user is still wide open, but Apple will be covering the storage and server tab. (With money added from heavy users. Casual users needn't pay.) The dark side of this is that there doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or…

> There doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or non-Apple product to interact with the stored data

What APIs do the iCloud.com web-apps use, then? ("Non-public ones" is the likely answer.)

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In the iCloud world, a user pays for his storage space directly to Apple. That will be an interesting shift for startups. There will be no backend expenses on a per user basis. How to monetize the user is still wide open, but Apple will be covering the storage and server tab. (With money added from heavy users. Casual users needn't pay.) The dark side of this is that there doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or…

> There doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or non-Apple product to interact with the stored data What APIs do the iCloud.com web-apps use, then? ("Non-public ones" is the likely answer.)

They could be running on Apple hardware.

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I wrote an iOS app using Core Data and iCloud, and it was the worst experience I've had so far developing for the platform. From top to bottom, the Core Data concepts are simultaneously too low-level and too opaque. I found myself copying multi-page code snippets from the web and hoping they would work. Basic concepts like merging conflicts were obfuscated and brittle. Contrast that with Firebase, which has been a re…

Although there's a lot of boilerplate to get CoreData working I've always found it really good to work with. My guess would be that this iCloud developer stuff builds on top of CoreData so I wouldn't expect much to change unfortunately.

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In the iCloud world, a user pays for his storage space directly to Apple. That will be an interesting shift for startups. There will be no backend expenses on a per user basis. How to monetize the user is still wide open, but Apple will be covering the storage and server tab. (With money added from heavy users. Casual users needn't pay.) The dark side of this is that there doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or…

Amazon S3 has offered user-pays storage for years, for any client OS.

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In the iCloud world, a user pays for his storage space directly to Apple. That will be an interesting shift for startups. There will be no backend expenses on a per user basis. How to monetize the user is still wide open, but Apple will be covering the storage and server tab. (With money added from heavy users. Casual users needn't pay.) The dark side of this is that there doesn't appear to be a way for a browser or…

A cloud that cannot be accessed from everywhere and everything is not a cloud
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