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Re: How LEDs are Made

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Very surprising how manual this is, unless this is just for the purpose of showing how the LEDs are made. I would have expected everything in this process to be automated since electronic component manufacturing is very high volume. Also amazing how small the components (LED dies) are.

Everyone else has moved on to 0402-sized surface mount LEDs a long time ago. Could this manual process just be because nobody is building the old through-hole LEDs in massive quantities?

Re: How LEDs are Made

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I'm surprised by how manual the whole process is. I think labour is so expensive in the west that any manufacturing of small low value items is incredibly highly automated (see youtube for lots of videos of how huge automated production lines work). There's no way you could employ someone to manually bond 80 LEDs a minute in the west and still have a competitive product.

I'm not so sure. Let's assume you're paying someone $15/hour and she actually costs you $25/hour. Assuming a 10 minute break every hour (that's gotta be tiring work and you want to hold onto your employees), then that's 2500/(80 * 50) = 0.625 cents of labor cost per LED. I don't know what all the other costs are, but that one operation seems surprisingly cheap.

Re: How LEDs are Made

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I could do this in my basement! Years ago I answered a "for sale" newspaper ad for used office desks and some test equipment. I showed up at the address and it was a small dingy old building and most of the employees seemed to be 55+ year-old women. When I asked what they did and was told they made diodes, you could have knocked me over with a feather. Like he did, I assumed that all electronics parts manufacturing w…

I ised to work in electronic subcontract engineering. They had some automation (little pick and place machine with oven and screen printer; a flow oven for populated PCBs) but there was a lot of work done by hand.

It was a terrible time of my life and it informs a lot of my opinion about poor management and inefficient working and about ISO900x quality assurance systems.

Re: How LEDs are Made

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The title here is slightly misleading- this isn't how LEDs are made, it is how LED dies are packaged. The more difficult part of all of this is creating the dies themselves, which is requires a clean room and all the automated tools I'm sure most people here were expecting to see.

Re: How LEDs are Made

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post #2

I'm surprised by how manual the whole process is. I think labour is so expensive in the west that any manufacturing of small low value items is incredibly highly automated (see youtube for lots of videos of how huge automated production lines work). There's no way you could employ someone to manually bond 80 LEDs a minute in the west and still have a competitive product.

I'm not so sure. Let's assume you're paying someone $15/hour and she actually costs you $25/hour. Assuming a 10 minute break every hour (that's gotta be tiring work and you want to hold onto your employees), then that's 2500/(80 * 50) = 0.625 cents of labor cost per LED. I don't know what all the other costs are, but that one operation seems surprisingly cheap.

I'm stupid. EDIT: I am! Thanks for the corrections!!

Re: How LEDs are Made

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post #2

I'm surprised by how manual the whole process is. I think labour is so expensive in the west that any manufacturing of small low value items is incredibly highly automated (see youtube for lots of videos of how huge automated production lines work). There's no way you could employ someone to manually bond 80 LEDs a minute in the west and still have a competitive product.

I don't envy the eyesight of the worker that has to look through a microscope their entire shift, this was sad to read.

Re: How LEDs are Made

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Very surprising how manual this is, unless this is just for the purpose of showing how the LEDs are made. I would have expected everything in this process to be automated since electronic component manufacturing is very high volume. Also amazing how small the components (LED dies) are.

Everyone else has moved on to 0402-sized surface mount LEDs a long time ago. Could this manual process just be because nobody is building the old through-hole LEDs in massive quantities?

For people who don't know 0402 is:

> 0402 (1005 metric): 1.0 mm × 0.5 mm (0.039 in × 0.020 in).

Re: How LEDs are Made

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sure. Let's assume you're paying someone $15/hour and she actually costs you $25/hour. Assuming a 10 minute break every hour (that's gotta be tiring work and you want to hold onto your employees), then that's 2500/(80 * 50) = 0.625 cents of labor cost per LED. I don't know what all the other costs are, but that one operation seems surprisingly cheap.

I'm stupid. EDIT: I am! Thanks for the corrections!!

> We were told they can align over 80 per minute or about 40,000 per day.

Re: How LEDs are Made

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sure. Let's assume you're paying someone $15/hour and she actually costs you $25/hour. Assuming a 10 minute break every hour (that's gotta be tiring work and you want to hold onto your employees), then that's 2500/(80 * 50) = 0.625 cents of labor cost per LED. I don't know what all the other costs are, but that one operation seems surprisingly cheap.

I'm stupid. EDIT: I am! Thanks for the corrections!!

The worker makes 80 LEDs per minute.
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