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Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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No offense, but this speech may impress a bunch of school boys...

I agree. Between John J. Chapman's commencement address to the graduating class of Hobart College, 1900, and "Advice, like youth, probably just wasted on the young" by Mary Schmich, I got nothing but a slimy feeling out of this.

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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Not giving up is great and needed more often than not However, knowing when it's not worth it is a great asset as well.

Exactly. Not everyone is suited to be a member of special forces. Leaving to do something better (e.g. more achievable) may be a wiser choice.

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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> But, if you think about it, not only were these soldiers saved by the decisions of one person, but their children yet unborn—were also saved. And their children’s children—were saved. Yeah. Shame about the children, and the children's children of the local population though. You know, in their own homeland and all, not asking for trouble or anything...

C'mon now, this isn't a political article, let's not mire the discussion in politics irrelevant to the link

An article praising soldiers and the "change" they bring IS political (in the general sense). It's just naively political, it doesn't even stop to consider the consquences of the actions it desribes, except on one side.

Soldiers = heroes, or "just honest hardworking people doing a dangerous job", is political in itself. It's pro army, for one. Some people for some reason only consider anti-war statements to be political, while statements like the ones in the article pass for some kind of unchallenged truth.

(If you mean "partisan", sure, it's not. But I don't care about that, and my point was not about "democrats" vs "republicans". Don't care about either of them).

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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I like it (unfortunately I am very far away now from ever being able to be that fit).

Leaving aside the uncomfortable notion that it is all for killing people, here is another question I wonder about: what are the survival rates for Navy Seals? Are they better/worse/the same as for normal soldiers? Does all the training help with survival? It would be a shame to go through all this and then be killed in the first hour of war by some stray bullet?

I don't mean to offend, I am genuinely interested. It seems fascinating if for example people are motivated to invest so much in training if the chance to die afterwards is high. Of course if it would reduce the risk it would also be a good motivator.

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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The Navy Seals I have known in my life have been the most honest, bravest, and intelligent people I have ever known. I'm grateful people like this exist in the world.

I can't get behind people trained for the most part to kill other people. The bravest to me are those that refuse to be goaded into harming their fellow human beings at the behest of others. The line between 'brave seal' and 'tool' is a thin one.

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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Very good points made in the article.

Discipline, consistency, reliability, tenacity, teamwork, attention to detail are all valuable habits..... In an assistant.

If you develop these qualities you might help someone who questions paradigms, thinks deeply about implications and connections between events, has an innate ability for strategy with broad vision and big dreams change the world.

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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This was an interesting article, though most of the points seem to revolve around the theme of "Never giving up". I found the first one particulary interesting (the make your bed one). here's the points in summary: 1. "Make your bed" - start your day off by accomplishing a small task. Little things in life matter and add up. 2. "Find someone to help you paddle" - You can't accomplish great things alone, you need frie…

Never give up could also apply to posting to HN. This is the 3rd time this story has been posted and it's the first one to gain traction.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7778587

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7796097

Re: Adm. McRaven Urges Graduates to Find Courage to Change the World

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In context, I think McRaven offers powerful advice. I wonder how it translates to the entrepreneurial world. Here are some observations.

A. For SEALs, there is a process to get through (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEAL_select...). For entrepreneurs, there are many ways. This distinction matters: there are only so many slots for SEALs. There is no such limit for new products or services.

B. In some ways, there are gatekeepers for both. SEALs have obvious gatekeepers that set the bar. SEALs have to pass their tests as defined by their superiors. Entrepreneurs have less obvious gatekeepers. By this I mean that an entrepreneur chooses their gatekeepers when deciding to select a particular business plan. Whatever they choose, they have to find a business model that works somehow for their customers and investors.

C. For a SEAL, never quitting makes sense if your final goal is to be a SEAL. What if you break an ankle? Is it smarter (probably mandatory!) to ring the bell? (Do you try again later?) For an entrepreneur, never quitting means finding a way to succeed -- a way not tied to any particular business plan or technology.

D. As a SEAL, if you ring the bell, how does that feel? As an entrepreneur, how does it feel to run out of money before you find a business model that works? I would guess that it matters quite a bit on why didn't make it. Did you make obvious mistakes? Did you do your best?

E. If, during SEAL training, you decide that it isn't for you, is there any shame in quitting? I'm not talking about quitting simply due to exertion or pain -- I'm talking about quitting because you thought about all the implications. I've never been sleep deprived for days while also physically exhausted. What about an entrepreneur that gives it all but doesn't make it? I think there are some similarities here. One key difference is that entrepreneurs have more flexibility and control over pacing yourself than SEALs. (One can earn income while testing your business ideas, for example.)

F. This speech raises some big questions. What is quitting? What is failure? (A) If a SEAL washes out, there are other ways to do public service. Adjust your goals, as needed, and try again. (B) If an entrepreneur tests a business plan and it doesn't measure up, then perhaps you pivot or walk away. In my opinion, neither is "quitting" because you are still setting goals and working hard.

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