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The Perfect Crime (2005)

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Re: The Perfect Crime (2005)

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

baddox wrote: post #8
lotharbot wrote: post #3

Summary: The 6th amendment requires a jury pool to be selected from the state/district where a crime is committed. The part of Yellowstone National Park which is in the state of Idaho has no residents, and therefore no potential jury candidates. This creates a loophole which could possibly allow someone to commit a serious crime that could not be prosecuted. There are potential strategies to close the loophole: resid…

I have heard of trials being moved to a nearby jurisdiction, usually when there is some conflict of interest in the original district (like if the defendant is a public official in the district). I would guess that moving a trial doesn't require a jury, so perhaps the prosecutor could just move the trial to the nearest district with residents.

Pulling a jury from a district where the crime wasn't committed can only happen with consent of the accused. Quite a lot of legal work has been done to expand the definition of where the crime was committed to allow for venue shopping.

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Post by patcheudor »

Given this is Hacker News it is interesting to consider 'softer crimes' than murder which even the threat of might be able to drive legislative change. It would seem that, if permits could be granted, it would make a great place for a "no rules" security camp-con. Look at DEFCON as an example. They have a wireless CTF; however, certain hacking techniques are off limits if one is concerned about being charged with a felony. As an example, signal jamming to downgrade connections to weaker ones which have implemented broken protocols or jamming and redirecting GPS signals:

Title 18, Section 1362 - prohibits willful or malicious interference to US government communications; subjects the operator to possible fines, imprisonment, or both (18 U.S.C. § 1362)

Title 18, Section 1367(a) - prohibits intentional or malicious interference to satellite communications; subjects the operator to possible fines, imprisonment, or both (18 U.S.C. § 1367(a))

While there would likely be very low interest from law enforcement for local signal jamming against competitors in a wireless CTF, things could get interesting if someone attempted to hijack or jam satellite uplinks from that location. Surely such antics, even without an arrest would spur more immediacy in closing the loophole?

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lotharbot wrote: post #3

Summary: The 6th amendment requires a jury pool to be selected from the state/district where a crime is committed. The part of Yellowstone National Park which is in the state of Idaho has no residents, and therefore no potential jury candidates. This creates a loophole which could possibly allow someone to commit a serious crime that could not be prosecuted. There are potential strategies to close the loophole: resid…

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Re: The Perfect Crime (2005)

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Post by xenadu02 »

This is one of those wonderful "theory meets practice" issues. US history is full of people arguing on similar technicalities and courts universally reject them as such.

There is zero chance you could commit a semi-major or major crime there and get away with it, anymore than you can quash a warrant and exclude evidence because they mis-spelled your name on the warrant application.

Even if, by some miracle, you managed to "get away with it", after years in solitary confinement, a $1000000+ legal bill, and a completely ruined life... congrats, you're the one and only person to ever manage it because your case would immediately spur political efforts to close the loophole.

The bottom line: this just isn't an issue in reality.

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Post by cafard »

stcredzero wrote: post #5
lotharbot wrote: post #3

Summary: The 6th amendment requires a jury pool to be selected from the state/district where a crime is committed. The part of Yellowstone National Park which is in the state of Idaho has no residents, and therefore no potential jury candidates. This creates a loophole which could possibly allow someone to commit a serious crime that could not be prosecuted. There are potential strategies to close the loophole: resid…

The vicinage clause would itself allow vigilante justice. I've heard biker gangs like going to national parks.

Someone who had been a ranger told me that I lot of drugs used to pass through national parks: but I think that was because of a lower density of police.
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