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An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Re: An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Post by Ironlink »

mark242 wrote: post #2

It's funny. An "Introduction to Modern Java Web Development" sounds like a primer for the Play Framework, Scala, and Akka. Each of the examples looks like the starter documentation for Play, in that you've got your json manipulation, routing, connecting to a database, DI, actors, etc. Java devs-- you seriously owe it to yourself to spend the time investigating and ramping up onto Scala and Play. This is where the fut…

I'd rather put my money on Spring learning lessons from Play / Scala / Akka. If they don't, the writing may indeed be on the wall.

Re: An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Post by oblio »

java-lang wrote: post #8

As a modern java developer I was surprised to find no mention of Vert.X which to me seems like one of the most modern and forward-thinking java web frameworks. Not only does it support scaling your app out-of-the-box but also provides a simple way to deal with concurrency.

Isn't Vert.X async a-la Node?

Re: An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Post by rdtsc »

Great work Ron.These should be a small (or maybe a full) book some day.

Java is not my main language, but I liked the Advanced Topic: Blocking vs Non-blocking section and in general have been following Parallel Universe technology stack.

If anyone is interested more in the async vs actors, there is a nice new podcast with Ron Pressler, Fred Hebert (Learn You Some Erlang For Great Good author), Kevin Hamond and Zachary Kessin

http://mostlyerlang.com/2014/05/15/037-parellel-universe-wit...

There is a discussion about concurrency, how Quasar works underneath (hint: there is an interesting bytecode transform that takes place during loading), shared state, Erlang, Clojure and Datomic. Anyway, highly recommend.

Re: An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Post by bsaul »

microtonal wrote: post #10
mark242 wrote: post #2

It's funny. An "Introduction to Modern Java Web Development" sounds like a primer for the Play Framework, Scala, and Akka. Each of the examples looks like the starter documentation for Play, in that you've got your json manipulation, routing, connecting to a database, DI, actors, etc. Java devs-- you seriously owe it to yourself to spend the time investigating and ramping up onto Scala and Play. This is where the fut…

Been there, done that. In the previous company I worked at, some new projects were done in Play. The result: frequent API changes in Play, bad Maven integration, illogical APIs from the Java perspective (an artefact of Play being written in Scala), little documentation, and I don't know how it is now, but back then it was very had to make a minimal REST application without pulling a lot of baggage in. We rewrote thes…

I've just started using play for the last two weeks, but so far i really don't understand the critics on java vs scala or the documentation. True, so far i've only dealt with json. / db / file upload & download , but even that covers quite a vast area, and it was pretty obvious that every time play had both a simple and documented way of doing those , even in java.

Re: An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Post by pron »

mark242 wrote: post #2

It's funny. An "Introduction to Modern Java Web Development" sounds like a primer for the Play Framework, Scala, and Akka. Each of the examples looks like the starter documentation for Play, in that you've got your json manipulation, routing, connecting to a database, DI, actors, etc. Java devs-- you seriously owe it to yourself to spend the time investigating and ramping up onto Scala and Play. This is where the fut…

Author here. As I explain in the article, I cannot recommend any framework that encourages asynchronous code. It's simply the wrong approach, no matter what functional tricks are used to make it more palatable. And the blocking Play APIs both feel foreign to Java, and provide no benefit over the standard, and widely implemented, JAX-RS.

Re: An Opinionated Guide to Modern Java, Part 3: Web Development

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Post by haddr »

I don't get the point of saying that application servers are dead and then... embedding application server within the application. If applications should be isolated they can be easily deployed on different application servers. The result will be the same, with the difference that we get all advantages of easy application deplyment using war files, and some nice tools supporting the whole process.

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mark242 wrote: post #2

It's funny. An "Introduction to Modern Java Web Development" sounds like a primer for the Play Framework, Scala, and Akka. Each of the examples looks like the starter documentation for Play, in that you've got your json manipulation, routing, connecting to a database, DI, actors, etc. Java devs-- you seriously owe it to yourself to spend the time investigating and ramping up onto Scala and Play. This is where the fut…

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