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Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by [deleted] »

tsax wrote: post #8
obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Look guize, us Asian men don't count in the diversity quota. In fact it works against us. We retain all the 'privilege' narrative-based negative points in Progressive demonology as white men, plus we gain a few systematic discrimination points from University affirmative action programs, etc. Whenever 'diversity' is mentioned, we are either invisible or to be implicitly counted among white men.

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Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by wavefunction »

tsax wrote: post #8
obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Look guize, us Asian men don't count in the diversity quota. In fact it works against us. We retain all the 'privilege' narrative-based negative points in Progressive demonology as white men, plus we gain a few systematic discrimination points from University affirmative action programs, etc. Whenever 'diversity' is mentioned, we are either invisible or to be implicitly counted among white men.

Progressives don't demonize white people. You should investigate what a progressive actually is, rather than regurgitate whatever talking points you're getting from mass media or wherever.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

✓ Victim Complex: "For years, women, blacks and Latinos have been kept out of the tech job market."

✓ Blame Game: "Now white men are being forced to train their replacements."

✓ Biased Reporting.

Apparently anyone can be a "journalist" now a days. Do you guys remember all those articles about San Francisico Gentrification a few weeks back? All complaining about how the evil white male tech workers were taking up real estate? Ooops. Turns out 50% of the tech workers are Asian. Funny how that was left out. I'm having a hard time believing anything anymore.

I guess there's no such thing as a fluctuation anymore. Every change is a conspiracy.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by beachstartup »

tsax wrote: post #8
obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Look guize, us Asian men don't count in the diversity quota. In fact it works against us. We retain all the 'privilege' narrative-based negative points in Progressive demonology as white men, plus we gain a few systematic discrimination points from University affirmative action programs, etc. Whenever 'diversity' is mentioned, we are either invisible or to be implicitly counted among white men.

all of the drawbacks and none of the benefits.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by beachstartup »

yardie wrote: post #5

> as a 19-year-old junior at SJSU studying computer science, Leu said many non-Asians don't appreciate "the Asian culture, where there is a deep work ethic that America hasn't really bought into yet." Checks GDP per Capita[1]. I believe she meant "some Americans don't appreciate the Asian culture, where some Asians have a deep worth ethic that some Americans haven't bought really bought into yet." [1] https://en.wiki…

for the most part, recent asian immigrants have an extremely flawed and incomplete view of american society and how it actually works. this manifests in all sorts of weird ideas about 'americans' (i.e. white people) and half-baked poorly-executed ideas about what it really takes to get ahead in this country.

example: college admissions.

source: my parents and their friends for the past 3 decades.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by matthewmacleod »

obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Oh, do fuck off and take your strawman with you.

Nobody—I repeat, nobody at all—is claiming that "the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups." That's not a thing. Nobody's saying it, except you.

However, people are quite correctly and accurately pointing out that there is an underrepresentation of minority groups in tech. It's great the Asian tech workers aren't suffering from this - but that's not the only problem! In other words, the target of attack is not "white men", but underrepresentation of other groups!

Ignoring for the moment that this article is out-of-date, you'll see from the numbers contained in it that while Asian-American workers proliferate, a mere 4.2% of tech jobs are taken by Hispanics - despite this being a group that forms fully 25% of the population of the area. The same vastly disproportionate numbers apply to other groups. And that's without even getting started on the social and economic issues surrounding the fact that these are H1B workers.

There's no quick and easy solution to this problem, but your gross mischaracterisations do absolutely nothing to help.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by mikestew »

tsax wrote: post #8
obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Look guize, us Asian men don't count in the diversity quota. In fact it works against us. We retain all the 'privilege' narrative-based negative points in Progressive demonology as white men, plus we gain a few systematic discrimination points from University affirmative action programs, etc. Whenever 'diversity' is mentioned, we are either invisible or to be implicitly counted among white men.

I seem to recall from a long, long time ago back in the day when I had to fill out some sort of team diversity form at MSFT that Asians didn't count.

Take this anecdotal datum with a huge grain of salt, and season it further with the fact that I'm dredging up memories from ten years ago. Maybe it was Indians (yes, a subset of Asians, I realize), I don't know. I just remember asking HR about $NON_WHITE_GUY, and was told he didn't count because (paraphrasing) "successful minority group in software".

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by shadowfox »

yardie wrote: post #5

> as a 19-year-old junior at SJSU studying computer science, Leu said many non-Asians don't appreciate "the Asian culture, where there is a deep work ethic that America hasn't really bought into yet." Checks GDP per Capita[1]. I believe she meant "some Americans don't appreciate the Asian culture, where some Asians have a deep worth ethic that some Americans haven't bought really bought into yet." [1] https://en.wiki…

Maybe I am confused. What does GDP have to do with this?

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by crypt1d »

There is an interesting observation about Asian cultures made by Malcolm Gladwell in his book Outliers [1]. He argues that one of the reasons why Asians are _statistically_ better at math than others is because of the language and cultural legacy. More precisely, it is a lot easier to remember numbers in Chinese (and other Asian languages, apparently) than in English, giving Chinese children a head start in mathematics. This turns into quite an advantage by the time they reach college. He also argues that societies that were developed on rice farming tend to be more diligent as it is a lot more labor intensive work than ,for example, wheat farming. Also Chinese feudalism had more of a "hands off" approach, where the landlords were always taking a fixed amount of their earnings. So while Europeans were making pretty much the same amount of money during all their harvests, Asians had an income which was more proportional to their efforts. There is a lot more to it for sure, and I don't know if he is right, but its certainly a nice read.

[1] - http://gladwell.com/outliers/rice-paddies-and-math-tests/

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