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Krueger Statement on Use of Airbnb for Floating Brothels

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Re: Krueger Statement on Use of Airbnb for Floating Brothels

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From the press release: "Prostitution wasn't really at the top of our minds when we passed the 2010 law helping NYC enforce against illegal short-term rentals, but in hindsight it seems kind of obvious." You have to admit, I think the enterprising minds here at HN also failed to foresee this.

TBH from the moment AirBnB was announced, with it's inital focus on couch surfing from strangers (and the lack of traditional 'quiet enjoyment' as a result) I expected a serious sexual assault to occur.

A prostitution ring is pretty low on the list of things that could go wrong.

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> (underlined) Today it's a prostitution ring, tomorrow it could be an illegal gambling ring, and maybe next week it could be a drug operation. This is textbook 'slippery slope' fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.

Perhaps something like "allowing same sex marriage today will lead to humans marrying animals tomorrow" is a fallacy.

This seems very well reasoned. I hope you're not implying that we can't make reasoned assumptions and take actions based off them.

Also there's actual law breaking going on here.

I love and use AirBnb but the lady has some great points.

Re: Krueger Statement on Use of Airbnb for Floating Brothels

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> (underlined) Today it's a prostitution ring, tomorrow it could be an illegal gambling ring, and maybe next week it could be a drug operation. This is textbook 'slippery slope' fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.

It can't get much worse than one's apartment being used as a brothel, there's really nowhere to slide to at that point.

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Clutch those purse strings! Clutch them tiiiiiiiight. Lest some ne'erdowell slip something like DRUGS into your bag. And then you might accidentally take them, and LORD KNOWS one dose is enough to make you so addicted to the marijuana shots that you will be shooting cops and blowing judges for your next hit.

Re: Krueger Statement on Use of Airbnb for Floating Brothels

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> we need to protect the limited housing stock we have from being arbitraged into other uses This seems like a more compelling point than the title topic.

Hmm. Why do we need that? AirBnB promotes better capital utilization. The only reason to be against that is if you're some sort of Commie at heart and think that the government should be in the job of trying to make your rental a way to transfer wealth from landlords to tenants.

Which is certainly a political opinion that some people endorse, of course, but when you do that it's generally a contributing factor towards a housing shortage, like you see in places such as New York and San Francisco... go figure :b

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> we need to protect the limited housing stock we have from being arbitraged into other uses This seems like a more compelling point than the title topic.

So basically, she's admitting that the property is more valuable than its current use, and the city is actively denying itself tax revenue because of it.

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post #2

From the press release: "Prostitution wasn't really at the top of our minds when we passed the 2010 law helping NYC enforce against illegal short-term rentals, but in hindsight it seems kind of obvious." You have to admit, I think the enterprising minds here at HN also failed to foresee this.

"When have you most successfully hacked some (non-computer) system to your advantage?"

Weeeeeell…

Re: Krueger Statement on Use of Airbnb for Floating Brothels

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This is the NY Post'a article which the kreuger text references, it's in the headline article but for those skimming the comments or who missed the hyperlink: http://nypost.com/2014/04/14/hookers-using-airbnb-to-use-apa...

That article is .. not helpful. So baby swipes and 'at least ten condoms' is a proof of prostitution? That .. doesn't quite add up. I mean, you actually buy condoms in packs of 10-12 here and the baby swipe thing is inconclusive.

Maybe the claim in the headline is right, probably the story is backed by real facts. That article though? That's really useless.

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It's always painful to watch luddite bureaucrats pontificate on technology and how it needs to be controlled to "protect" the population. I remember when I was at Google in 2003 there was a California politician who demanded that Google be regulated like a utility company because it was so important. That was when it was still a private company! Or when another California bureaucrat wanted to ban gmail because it violated people's privacy by showing targeted ads next to emails. Listening to people like this requires a perma-facepalm.

Re: Krueger Statement on Use of Airbnb for Floating Brothels

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> we need to protect the limited housing stock we have from being arbitraged into other uses This seems like a more compelling point than the title topic.

I think this is where the argument for short term whole-residence rentals breaks down.

In the beginning, Airbnb was for homeowners and renters to provide a spare bedroom to travelers. In that case, they're facilitating a private transaction between two individuals to exchange money for a place to crash. By the residents staying at the home for the duration of the guest's stay, it's hard to call that a sublet, and there's a very strong argument to be made that it's just a communications platform to link either side of a marketplace.

But the case of whole-home rentals gets murkier. I don't see how letting someone stay in your home while you're living somewhere else is anything but a sublet. And if it is a sublet, why should it not have to conform to the established rules for sublets?

I find it disappointing that the Airbnb team hasn't done much in the way of explaining this point. When they do address the legality of Airbnb, they almost always refer to the first case. It's understandable, as it's a much more easily defensible position. I'd be interested to hear someone from Airbnb directly address the possibility of their service being used to turn residential spaces into commercial spaces (in the form of hotels).

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