Node.js Tools for Visual Studio • Hacker News Board

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#11

Post by rch » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:17 PM UTC

bananas wrote: post #5

Perhaps I'm paranoid but I'm seeing a lot of tentacles extending around a few ecosystems from Microsoft. I see lots of praise but some rational analysis and caution might be worth considering. For ref, I deal with Microsoft a lot and wrote a ton of c# over the least decade (more than anything else probably) so I'm not biased against necessarily but all-encompassing announcements like the ones over the last couple of…

I don't believe we'll see 'embrace and extend' being applied to Node and Python, which are the two ecosystems I'd be concerned about.

I'll just welcome the added support, and hope that it leads to better acceptance of my prefered tools in more conservative environments.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#12

Post by JeremyMorgan » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:18 PM UTC

bananas wrote: post #5

Perhaps I'm paranoid but I'm seeing a lot of tentacles extending around a few ecosystems from Microsoft. I see lots of praise but some rational analysis and caution might be worth considering. For ref, I deal with Microsoft a lot and wrote a ton of c# over the least decade (more than anything else probably) so I'm not biased against necessarily but all-encompassing announcements like the ones over the last couple of…

It's a simple game of catch up. These ecosystems popped up and flourished very fast and if anything Microsoft was slow to adapt. They've learned enough hard lessons in their history ignoring emerging technologies and clearly they're not ready to make the same mistake again.

Just like the ASP stack and it's rapid advancements. They know if they don't start innovating fast they'll be finished.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#13

Post by JeremyMorgan » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:20 PM UTC

mavdi wrote: post #6

It's an attempt to bring back developer to windows platform. I personally don't know a single serious web developer using windows unless they are coding in .NET.

If you mean front end, yes. The majority of front end devs are working on Macs and pushing to code to Linux servers. But there is still a ton of .Net activity on the backend and big enterprise. They're trying to bridge that gap and increase their share.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#14

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:22 PM UTC

mavdi wrote: post #10

skrebbel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might say more about you than about the world's developers. I didn't see the stats, but most developers I know use Windows. Like, 60% or so. Different area, different industry?

I see a lot of frontend and backend developers. Node, Ruby, Java, general Frontend, Clojure, JS and not a single windows user.

[deleted]

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#15

Post by yulaow » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:23 PM UTC

mavdi wrote: post #6

It's an attempt to bring back developer to windows platform. I personally don't know a single serious web developer using windows unless they are coding in .NET.

Are we talking about windows for their workstations or for their servers?

In the first case I see a LOT of devs using windows as main os, I can easily say the big part of them use it. My last job was in a full lamp 3yo startups and ironically I was the only one who had a second partition with linux on my laptop. All the other devs where on windows7/8 and only 2 on osx.

In case of server yes, usally you use windowsServer only if you use asp.net or maybe node.js. It however depens

Anyway if you want to just use Azure Websites it is really nice to have all those Sdks for visual studio.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#16

Post by mavdi » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:24 PM UTC

JeremyMorgan wrote: post #13

mavdi wrote: post #6

It's an attempt to bring back developer to windows platform. I personally don't know a single serious web developer using windows unless they are coding in .NET.

If you mean front end, yes. The majority of front end devs are working on Macs and pushing to code to Linux servers. But there is still a ton of .Net activity on the backend and big enterprise. They're trying to bridge that gap and increase their share.

I'm in the learning and publishing industry. Our company has always been an MS stronghold and even here most greenfield projects are written in Node or other emerging technologies. I am a bit biased against Microsoft I have to admit, but I do believe they are on their way out of many industries. It's a down facing trend however you look at it.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#17

Post by preavy » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:27 PM UTC

Without going too far off-topic, does anyone know anything about a SQL Server driver for Node.js? There was this, but it hasn't been updated in a while. https://github.com/Azure/node-sqlserver

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#18

Post by mavdi » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:29 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #14

mavdi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of frontend and backend developers. Node, Ruby, Java, general Frontend, Clojure, JS and not a single windows user.

[deleted]

According to this the demand was highest in 2005. :)

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#19

Post by jw2013 » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:30 PM UTC

It's better late than never. It's just easier to say 'I quit' because it's likely none of Node.js developers will switch to using Visual Studio rather than give it a try. Though I probably will never use Visual Studio for writing my Node.js project, kudos for MS not being the old MS.

So what's next for MS? I think they are getting the direction right for opening up for external MS product users, and now it's time to recruit top talent again. There are just too many great hackers think MS is old (just look at some of replies in this story), which to large degree is true, and it will take time to fix that, but it can be possible done with: 1) create openness [culture, keep taking more open-source project like open-day-light, keep opening tech inside MS to others, etc.]; 2) buy early-stage companies through acqui-hire. It will be an uphill-battle and I am not an expert on this, and I am very interested in what other people here on HN thinks.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

#20

Post by taude » Fri, Apr 04, 2014, 9:37 PM UTC

jw2013 wrote: post #19

It's better late than never. It's just easier to say 'I quit' because it's likely none of Node.js developers will switch to using Visual Studio rather than give it a try. Though I probably will never use Visual Studio for writing my Node.js project, kudos for MS not being the old MS. So what's next for MS? I think they are getting the direction right for opening up for external MS product users, and now it's time to…

I think msft building this kind of tooling around exciting tech like node gives node more credibility in a big enterprise type of shop...will only be a good thing for node,