I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...
We're probably not done yet in that case!
European Parliament passes net neutrality law
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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law
#12These are great news, I am a big supporter for net neutrality, however I am a bit concerned about one small detail: >“Net neutrality” means the principle according to which all internet traffic is treated equally, without discrimination, restriction or interference, independently of its sender, recipient, type, content, device, service or application. I wonder how this will work in case of malicious attacks, ddos, di…
This doesn't extend to protecting illegal acts from interference.
Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, based on that quote they can throttle what they want - but they have to do it equally across all similar applications. So for example they can't throttle Youtube and not throttle Netflix - they have to throttle both (or neither).
Well, that depends on your interpretation of "functionally equivalent". Is Youtube functionally equivalent with Netflix?
Spam-Emails, DDOS attacks and Http Traffic aren't functionally equivalent, which is probably the point.
I think the definition will also include the question of competition between the traffic streams. Youtube and Netflix are competitors, whereas an E-Mail Service and a Gaming Service isn't.
Net Neutrality should not mean we have to build the infrastructure that can faithfully execute DDOS attacks. Now, if we want to build the infrastructure to let all internet users stream 4K Video 24/7, is a whole other question...
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#14From first reading, this makes it look as if ISPs will be unable to offer eg elevated weighting to specific VoIP traffic unless that's offered by the ISP themselves. I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats. I'm not convinced this is a good thing.
I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats.
Then configure your router to do so?
Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law
#15It was a close call... Neelie Kroes didn't want this. But against expectations, democracy won.. That doesn't happen much in the world (Eg. What Karel De Gucht tried / did ).
All with all, i'm very glad this happened! It gave me some faith again in Europe as a regulator (i'm from Belgium ).
(still dissappointed in Neelie Kroes though, she has some very good ideas... Opposing net neutrality was definetly a bad idea)
Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law
#16From first reading, this makes it look as if ISPs will be unable to offer eg elevated weighting to specific VoIP traffic unless that's offered by the ISP themselves. I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats. I'm not convinced this is a good thing.
I think it is more like "unable to offer eg elevated weighting to specific VoIP traffic unless that is specifically requested by their users" - which means they can't discriminate between services for their financial benefit rather than because that is what their users want (favouring skype over google's hangout unless Google pay them a wodge of cash, or vice versa, for instance).
They would be able to give weighting to VoIP traffic generally by my understanding, assuming that they can correctly identify the traffic of course, so they can still perform good QoS practise to stop large bulk data transfer (P2P sharing, huge HTTP transfers) causing massively inflated latency for more interactive traffic (VoIP, small HTTP(S) transfers, ...) where that matters.
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#17I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...
And some of them are still culturally at war ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93Sweden_relation...
Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law
#18From first reading, this makes it look as if ISPs will be unable to offer eg elevated weighting to specific VoIP traffic unless that's offered by the ISP themselves. I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats. I'm not convinced this is a good thing.
I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats. Then configure your router to do so?
That works for my link from the PoP to my router, but not beyond the PoP.
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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law
#20From first reading, this makes it look as if ISPs will be unable to offer eg elevated weighting to specific VoIP traffic unless that's offered by the ISP themselves. I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats. I'm not convinced this is a good thing.
In addition, there is demand on the
part of content, applications and services
providers, for the provision of transmission
services based on flexible quality
parameters, including lower levels of
priority for traffic which is not time-
sensitive. The possibility for content,
applications and service providers to
negotiate such flexible quality of service
levels with providers of electronic
communications may also be necessary for
the provision of certain services such as
machine-to-machine (M2M)
communications. Providers of content,
applications and services and providers of
electronic communications should
therefore continue to be free to conclude
specialised services agreements on defined
levels of quality of service as long as such
agreements do not impair the quality of
internet access service.
-http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//...