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Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by paulbaumgart »

workhere-io wrote: post #9
paulbaumgart wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So say some journalists. The results speak for themselves. Edit: In case it wasn't apparent, my "ever any doubt" question was rhetorical hyperbole. Any statement, no matter how self-evident, will have some people contradicting it. Edit2: See mtrimpe's comment below; Forbes is probably optimizing for small business in their analysis instead of startups with potential for high scalability.

In case it wasn't apparent, my "ever any doubt" question was rhetorical hyperbole. Any statement, no matter how self-evident, will have some people contradicting it. Your argument that the US is the best place to start a business is not in any way "self-evident", and you have provided no source or proof. So say some journalists. Their methodology seems sound. "We determined the Best Countries for Business by looking…

They left out "size and wealth of domestic market" and "access to capital," which I suspect are the most important factors beyond a minimal level of market fairness.

It's really not self-evident that the vast majority of successful companies are started in the US?

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by insuffi »

mtrimpe wrote: post #10
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

This kind of thing seems to be one reason America is still the best place to start a business. I'm saying that in order to spark a debate and challenge that belief. Would anyone please list some actions taken by the US government which is similar in nature to the takeover illustrated here? It seems very similar to what happened in the middle ages. Before the rise of the merchant class, specifically the ability to def…

Most people don't realise that Russia is a brutal petro-chemical dictatorship in economical decline which is clamping down hard on human rights, freedom of the press and radicalising its population through propaganda. I've been following the Crimea conflict very closely (which almost certainly is also what caused Pavel's departure) and the seriousness of the situation is heavily underestimated by the world. The Russi…

The seriousness of the conflict depends on where you get your information, sadly.

The situation geopolitically seems pretty simple, in broad strokes. Too bad there's unfounded scaremongering on both sides(or should I say 3 or 4 sides).

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by guard-of-terra »

pgt wrote: post #8

For those who don't know what VKontakte is (I didn't), it is the biggest social network after Facebook with "over 100 million active users" according to vk.com, which they own. More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_(social_network)

Perhaps China has a few bigger networks.

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by johnnydoebk »

mtrimpe wrote: post #10
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

This kind of thing seems to be one reason America is still the best place to start a business. I'm saying that in order to spark a debate and challenge that belief. Would anyone please list some actions taken by the US government which is similar in nature to the takeover illustrated here? It seems very similar to what happened in the middle ages. Before the rise of the merchant class, specifically the ability to def…

Most people don't realise that Russia is a brutal petro-chemical dictatorship in economical decline which is clamping down hard on human rights, freedom of the press and radicalising its population through propaganda. I've been following the Crimea conflict very closely (which almost certainly is also what caused Pavel's departure) and the seriousness of the situation is heavily underestimated by the world. The Russi…

>> I've been following the Crimea conflict very closely (which almost certainly is also what caused Pavel's departure) Reference is needed.

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by insuffi »

paulbaumgart wrote: post #11
workhere-io wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case it wasn't apparent, my "ever any doubt" question was rhetorical hyperbole. Any statement, no matter how self-evident, will have some people contradicting it. Your argument that the US is the best place to start a business is not in any way "self-evident", and you have provided no source or proof. So say some journalists. Their methodology seems sound. "We determined the Best Countries for Business by looking…

They left out "size and wealth of domestic market" and "access to capital," which I suspect are the most important factors beyond a minimal level of market fairness. It's really not self-evident that the vast majority of successful companies are started in the US?

As proven time and time again, most popular does not mean "the best".(especially, considering how many people there are in the US compared to any EU nation. That'd certainly explain the "number of successful businesses".)

Do you think those people starting companies would do any worse, if we placed them in, say, Denmark?

EDIT:Or maybe Israel, which has the highest density of start ups worldwide? I'd be curious to see the per capita numbers of countries.

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by mtrimpe »

johnnydoebk wrote: post #15
mtrimpe wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't realise that Russia is a brutal petro-chemical dictatorship in economical decline which is clamping down hard on human rights, freedom of the press and radicalising its population through propaganda. I've been following the Crimea conflict very closely (which almost certainly is also what caused Pavel's departure) and the seriousness of the situation is heavily underestimated by the world. The Russi…

>> I've been following the Crimea conflict very closely (which almost certainly is also what caused Pavel's departure) Reference is needed.

It says it in the article. Navalny was making statements condemning the Crimea annexation and giving advice on how best to apply economic sanction to the Kremlin-elite surrounding Putin.

After the US followed his advice Navalny even tweeted that he was packing his bags for jail because "someone was going to have to pay for [those sanctions]".

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by myth_drannon »

skolos wrote: post #5

In the early days of odnoklassniki and VKontakte there was a joke in Russia that KGB invented them as better version of its secret files on people. Now it does not look like a joke anymore.

Actually it was originally a serious concern with the Facebook where CIA originally invested through one of its tech funds. KGB is not that smart :)

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Post by johnnydoebk »

mtrimpe wrote: post #17
johnnydoebk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I've been following the Crimea conflict very closely (which almost certainly is also what caused Pavel's departure) Reference is needed.

It says it in the article. Navalny was making statements condemning the Crimea annexation and giving advice on how best to apply economic sanction to the Kremlin-elite surrounding Putin. After the US followed his advice Navalny even tweeted that he was packing his bags for jail because "someone was going to have to pay for [those sanctions]".

News about Pavel's departure appeared long before the conflict you're talking about. So these two events are not connected.
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