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Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Immediately after striking Facebook-WattsApp deal, Koum had mentioned in one of his tweets that users' privacy and security is their top concern and I hope he sticks to his guns.

He wouldn't exactly go out and tell people he just sold all their messages and address books, though, would he?

The message he wrote, was a message he had to write to keep customers using WhatsApp

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Immediately after striking Facebook-WattsApp deal, Koum had mentioned in one of his tweets that users' privacy and security is their top concern and I hope he sticks to his guns.

He just sold WhatsApp to a company that he has no control over. His word is no good over this decision.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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The important part from the article is : "until there is a clearer understanding of how the company intends to use the personal data of WhatsApp’s 450 million users" FB would be drooling over all the messages, pics & videos on Whatsapp. For person-to-person communication, I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported free one. If I wanted the latter, there are no shortage of options. I wonder how Whatsapp spells out the u…

'I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported free one'

This gets mentioned a lot. I don't quite understand the logic. Say WhatsApp cost users $3.99, when Facebook buys them for 5 billion $3.99s what difference does it make? Facebook gets 3990 messages, a list of people you know, groups and whatever else. They can now add those to their vast collection of stuff they know about you, Facebook profile or not.

What do the $3.99 payment or the 'one weird trick to improve your health' ads have to do with any of this? I don't get it.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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The important part from the article is : "until there is a clearer understanding of how the company intends to use the personal data of WhatsApp’s 450 million users" FB would be drooling over all the messages, pics & videos on Whatsapp. For person-to-person communication, I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported free one. If I wanted the latter, there are no shortage of options. I wonder how Whatsapp spells out the u…

Why not read the ToS? It's pretty clear and very user friendly. The short version - they don't store your data, and there is no right for Facebook to get that data historically.

That's not to say they can't change it in future, but I'm sure if they do there will be a massive exodus from the network.

And to further clarify on your comment - whatsapp is a paid for app, not advert supported. They only charge the iPhone users, however. Cost of the app is $1 for iPhone. Suspect android users would never touch it, as they don't have payment details set up on Google Play's store.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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The important part from the article is : "until there is a clearer understanding of how the company intends to use the personal data of WhatsApp’s 450 million users" FB would be drooling over all the messages, pics & videos on Whatsapp. For person-to-person communication, I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported free one. If I wanted the latter, there are no shortage of options. I wonder how Whatsapp spells out the u…

'I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported free one' This gets mentioned a lot. I don't quite understand the logic. Say WhatsApp cost users $3.99, when Facebook buys them for 5 billion $3.99s what difference does it make? Facebook gets 3990 messages, a list of people you know, groups and whatever else. They can now add those to their vast collection of stuff they know about you, Facebook profile or not. What do the $3…

It is implied that when you pay, you are the customer, and when it's ad-supported you're the product instead.

In this case, however, you paid for the Whatsapp app, but with Facebook acquiring Whatsapp you'll also pay with your personal data.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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The important part from the article is : "until there is a clearer understanding of how the company intends to use the personal data of WhatsApp’s 450 million users" FB would be drooling over all the messages, pics & videos on Whatsapp. For person-to-person communication, I prefer a paid app over an ad-supported free one. If I wanted the latter, there are no shortage of options. I wonder how Whatsapp spells out the u…

Why not read the ToS? It's pretty clear and very user friendly. The short version - they don't store your data, and there is no right for Facebook to get that data historically. That's not to say they can't change it in future, but I'm sure if they do there will be a massive exodus from the network. And to further clarify on your comment - whatsapp is a paid for app, not advert supported. They only charge the iPhone…

The Android version is free for one year only.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Why would any privacy advocate want to block this deal? I can only see this deal being beneficial for privacy in the long run.

Facebook are unable to collect data from the service without changing the ToS, which will likely cause a user exodus.

It's going to put such a huge unrecoverable dent in Facebook's finances that it will be a significant long term disadvantage to them.

If you are a privacy advocate, wait until the deal completes and then jump ship and bring your friends with you.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not read the ToS? It's pretty clear and very user friendly. The short version - they don't store your data, and there is no right for Facebook to get that data historically. That's not to say they can't change it in future, but I'm sure if they do there will be a massive exodus from the network. And to further clarify on your comment - whatsapp is a paid for app, not advert supported. They only charge the iPhone…

The Android version is free for one year only.

And it seems that they very rarely collect those fees, if at all. I've certainly had my android install over one year, and no request for payment. See plenty of other similar reports online.

Suspect getting users to pay $1 is going to be a real pain, not for the cost, but for the convenience factor.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Why would any privacy advocate want to block this deal? I can only see this deal being beneficial for privacy in the long run. Facebook are unable to collect data from the service without changing the ToS, which will likely cause a user exodus. It's going to put such a huge unrecoverable dent in Facebook's finances that it will be a significant long term disadvantage to them. If you are a privacy advocate, wait until…

You overestimate an average user's privacy concerns.

Re: Privacy groups ask FTC to block Facebook-WhatsApp deal

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Why would any privacy advocate want to block this deal? I can only see this deal being beneficial for privacy in the long run. Facebook are unable to collect data from the service without changing the ToS, which will likely cause a user exodus. It's going to put such a huge unrecoverable dent in Facebook's finances that it will be a significant long term disadvantage to them. If you are a privacy advocate, wait until…

How is this good for privacy if Facebook's business model is selling personal information for financial gain? They could change the ToS anytime and sell all your personal information (several years of messages, photos, video) next day. Also, they could pass this all to the government for a nice pile of cash (without needing to change the ToS).
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