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Re: Why Super-Fast Internet Is Coming Super Slowly

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In theory, if Google Fiber was widely available, would this drastically dilute the effects of net neutrality problems? Or are these two issues completely unrelated?

It becomes much harder to violate net neutrality in the face of competition. Here's an example:

Say you have two ISP options at your home. Firm A forces Netflix to pay $1/month for access to enough bandwidth to stream movies in HD to your house, because they want you to use janky-streams.com, which they own. Firm B keeps their peering infrastructure up-to-date without charging Netflix. Where does this leave you as a consumer?

All else equal, you'll switch over to Firm B. Why? Because Netflix works there even without paying a ransom for their data. It costs Netflix more money to provide their service to you on Firm A. They could pass that cost along to you directly (increase Netflix bill $1/month) or reduce the stream quality and blame the ISP. The end result is that you're paying more or getting worse service because of the Net Neutrality violation.

However, Firm A understands this logic. They know that charging Netflix would push consumers to Firm B. Thus they decide to play nice and pass along the data you already pay them for.

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I view the broadband industry as a fascinating example of what happens when an infrastructure industry meets the technology industry. TWC and friends were established to enact a business plan that's been viable and profitable for centuries: laying down expensive infrastructure is economically feasible if most of the cost comes up front and you can charge rents on it for decades. Stability is crucial. This is the econ…

So why does broadband in other countries not have this problem, like Scandinavia, or Korea & Japan?

For the same reasons those countries implement things like universal health care. The crux of the issue with the US however is that being powerful here can mean greater power elsewhere. For example, if I have 100% market share in Sweden, it doesn't necessarily give me the capital and muscle to become the biggest internet provider in all of Europe. Whereas if you become the superpower in the US, expansion (read -> growth) is much easier to obtain.

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This is going to be a mess to slog through over the next 15 years until wireless speeds (and costs) leapfrog hardlines completely.

I've seen articles that it is just not feasible or even possibly to put all of the burden the wired networks carry onto the wireless ones. Besides the ugly data caps we have to deal with there, there's not enough room in the frequencies. Wireless is used as an excuse to not put in effort with wired and it's going to screw us.

There's plenty of room in the frequencies, even just using linear momentum encoding with directional transceivers. Add in MIMO/OAM and and suddenly there's even more bandwidth. the FCC / ownership of spectrum is a whole other chimera. Wireless today is like using a LED and a photodiode instead of a screen and a camera.

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I thought the USA was the model of capitalism. However it appears the opposite, monopolies run rampant. The free market is killed rather than encouraged.

Monopoly is the apotheosis of capitalist desire, competition is merely the measuring stick.

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thats a borderline moronic article.

starts by saying incumbents deny access even to city cabling and explaining the duopoly on most cities and ends by saying that allowing netflix to pass the fee to comcast subscribers is good because people will move companies and a free market is the answer.

is this april 1st or something? also extra moronic points for not understanding the first thing about isp to isp agreements and peer pricing.

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In theory, if Google Fiber was widely available, would this drastically dilute the effects of net neutrality problems? Or are these two issues completely unrelated?

If Google Fiber was widely available Google would be the one controlling traffic priority.

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I view the broadband industry as a fascinating example of what happens when an infrastructure industry meets the technology industry. TWC and friends were established to enact a business plan that's been viable and profitable for centuries: laying down expensive infrastructure is economically feasible if most of the cost comes up front and you can charge rents on it for decades. Stability is crucial. This is the econ…

> I view the broadband industry as a fascinating example of what happens when an infrastructure industry meets the technology industry.

I don't disagree with your comment, but your argument would seem to apply to the rest of the world, whereas in fact the US is in a fairly unique situation among developed countries.

Most of the current situation can be explained by the fact that broadband is currently the only unregulated public utility.

In NYC, I don't really pay much attention to electricity, gas, and water. ConEd kind of sucks, and I wish they were better, but really, they work well enough most of the time, and I'm not sure that I could name anybody else who would do it better.

The problem is that we sold off monopoly rights to broadband without attaching any strings of regulation, etc. Why should they bother to upgrade their infrastructure? Heck, we literally paid the cable companies billions of dollars of government money to do exactly that, and because we failed to enforce that with any real teeth, they just took the money and ran. Of course they're not going to listen when consumers say they "want gigabit". It would make no business sense to do otherwise, especially when 80% of your customers are unable to vote with their wallet and use a competing service[0].

There's a case to be made for either a free-market approach to broadband, or a more "socialized", regulated monopoly. Unfortunately, what we currently have is a hybrid of both, and it happens to hit upon the worst of both worlds.

[0] There's a South Park clip that does a great job of describing this relationship. I won't link to it here, because it's rather crude and possibly (?) a bit NSFW, but searching "south park cable" on Youtube should lead you to it if you want to laugh, sigh, and cry all at the same time.

Re: Why Super-Fast Internet Is Coming Super Slowly

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I thought the USA was the model of capitalism. However it appears the opposite, monopolies run rampant. The free market is killed rather than encouraged.

Infrastructure is the quintessential example of a natural monopoly. Free markets encourage natural monopolies. A non-free market is required to avoid natural monopolies.

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In theory, if Google Fiber was widely available, would this drastically dilute the effects of net neutrality problems? Or are these two issues completely unrelated?

It becomes much harder to violate net neutrality in the face of competition. Here's an example: Say you have two ISP options at your home. Firm A forces Netflix to pay $1/month for access to enough bandwidth to stream movies in HD to your house, because they want you to use janky-streams.com, which they own. Firm B keeps their peering infrastructure up-to-date without charging Netflix. Where does this leave you as a…

That's what I was suspecting, just wanted to be sure I understood things correctly.

'Your margin is my opportunity' -Jeff Bezos

I guess that only holds true when there aren't artificial barriers to entry into a market.

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I thought the USA was the model of capitalism. However it appears the opposite, monopolies run rampant. The free market is killed rather than encouraged.

If you read the article it's plain to see that the monopolies are enforced and encouraged by the currently existing regulations. There is no free market in ISPs in the US.
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