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Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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Using the Equinix IX https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/faq

I don't think so. It's multiple direct 10GE ports. Given the traffic volume the two networks exchange, there's no way it would be economical to move these bits over a public peering exchange (which Comcast doesn't participate in in the first place).

Even so, if it were in fact going via the IX, you'd see Netflix's IP from the exchange (206.223.116.133) as hop 8 in the traceroute.

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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It would be funny if netflix just looked for one of their hubs/datacenters and moved in next door on purpose. ISPs are common carriers and must be regulated as such, because as soon as Comcast makes its own netflix-like service, you can forget getting netflix to stream smoothly.

Comcast has it's own netflix-like service. They call it something like Xfinity OnDemand. It's actually not terrible.

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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I did notice last night that my stream of House of Cards looked way better than it has in the past month (when it started to go bad). It was HD level the whole hour, while previously it would only go HD for about 10 minutes total randomly through the episode. I'm a Comcast user in San Mateo, CA.

That is probably my doing :) Comcast had some internal congestion issues that we helped illustrate.

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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post #4

It would be funny if netflix just looked for one of their hubs/datacenters and moved in next door on purpose. ISPs are common carriers and must be regulated as such, because as soon as Comcast makes its own netflix-like service, you can forget getting netflix to stream smoothly.

> as soon as Comcast makes its own netflix-like service, you can forget getting netflix to stream smoothly.

Comcast owns NBCUniversal and a 1/3 share of hulu as well as an "ondemand" service through the comcast cablebox and the internet, "soon" happened already. And in many places netflix on comcast already does not stream smoothly (almost unquestionably due to throttling of netflix traffic).

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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A short route doesn't necessarily mean good bandwidth

It does reduce the buck-passing. See the current Verizon-Netflix squabble using Cogent as a proxy.

As a FIOS customer, it really is delightful. Especially when you're trying to get actual work done from your business FIOS connection to your rack in a colocation facility, not watch videos.

Only after calling and complaining for a week did they change the route, and magically, the latency and 50%+ packet loss went away.

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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I've noticed that the 11greatoaks.ca.ibone.comcast.net router(s) (Equinix SV1) are typically the ones that fail / have large latency issues. Hopefully if this has happened then they've increased overall capacity through this bottleneck.

You're seeing this because that's where Comcast primarily buys transit and peers with other networks; those edges are where the congested ports are. They generally have plenty of capacity between SV1 and their CMTSes (even if they have to take you from Oakland to Sac-town to get from SF to San Jose).

Comcast has been horribly congested in the SFBA for months.

I believe they've been looking at offloading that congestion and frankly moving Netflix is a no brainer.

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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It's anti-climactic that all it was going to take was a compelling business case. Netflix made it easy with their peering initiative [1].

Now Comcast gets to count these bytes against their customers' quotas, and it costs them nearly nothing to deliver the traffic.

This reminds me of NNTP, but Netflix is still running their own hardware.

[1] Netflix's "Open Connect" https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/guidelines

Re: Comcast and Netflix now have a direct adjacency

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post #4

It would be funny if netflix just looked for one of their hubs/datacenters and moved in next door on purpose. ISPs are common carriers and must be regulated as such, because as soon as Comcast makes its own netflix-like service, you can forget getting netflix to stream smoothly.

Comcast has it's own netflix-like service. They call it something like Xfinity OnDemand. It's actually not terrible.

Except for the STB interface. At least the mobile app is decent.
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