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Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Target_market

Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of the company behind the Linux distribution believes that Ubuntu for phones will first find a niche in countries where Ubuntu is well known

Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand.

Ubuntu strives to be “the smartphone that’s also a full PC”.[26] Canonical reports that software for the mobile version of Ubuntu is also compatible with versions for PCs and televisions. This is a feature not currently offered by other operating system companies, and aims to simplify both the use and development of the product

Pundits tell me nobody wants that, see Windows PCs, tablets, phones are servers. Right?

The aforementioned PC and mobile synergy may also be attractive to corporate IT departments currently using Ubuntu to run their servers

Totally different environments that share only the fact they are powered by electricity.

Mobile devices can be connected to larger displays and other peripherals such as wireless keyboards. Windows applications can also be accessed from corporate servers onto a mobile device, which makes the transferring of data more efficient

While I think we'll get there, we are far away from our smartphones having the power to run a full PC OS with our current workloads. Perhaps Ubuntu is looking too much into the future... personally I think they need the revenue of today's reality.

I won't even comment the phrase about Windows applications as it makes no sense.

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If the Wikipedia article accurately reflects what Canonical thinks are the selling points for their Ubuntu phones, then I believe this is going to be a sad disappointment.

Another point is that Microsoft, with all its power, can barely break the iOS/Android dominance in mind share... how Canonical plans to do that with such weak selling points?

Openness is rarely a worry for smartphone users and developers alike (only a minority of them care and the impact on revenue is probably irrelevant). So is it price alone? Cheaper than Android? If so, we are back to the ecosystem that is nonexistent yet.

I'd love a really open alternative, and things have to start somewhere, but Canonical doesn't seem positioned well enough to take on the competitors.

Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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Portugal Telecom?!?

I have known for a long time that they were in Canonical's Carrier Advisory Group, and I can only wonder what use they have for Ubuntu phones. I think they didn't have much success in selling Windows Phone handsets on-contract, so maybe they are planning on offering Ubuntu as the third OS choice in place of Windows Phone (as in, Android/iOS/Ubuntu instead of Android/iOS/WP).

Might be. We don't have tradition with contracts in Portugal anyway.

Pity that I moved to Optimus a few years ago.

Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Target_market Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of the company behind the Linux distribution believes that Ubuntu for phones will first find a niche in countries where Ubuntu is well known Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand. Ubuntu strives to be “the smartphone that’s also a full PC”.[26] Canonical repor…

I put my money on Mozilla with Firefox OS.

Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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The market for a "pure Linux phone" (that is, !Android) is only so big.

In that limited size market, we will now further subdivide it between Ubuntu and Jolla.

I wish the two groups would at least seize on the opportunity to collaborate where possible (such as Qt apps)

Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Target_market Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of the company behind the Linux distribution believes that Ubuntu for phones will first find a niche in countries where Ubuntu is well known Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand. Ubuntu strives to be “the smartphone that’s also a full PC”.[26] Canonical repor…

> Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand.

I think that story changes somewhat on a country-by-country basis. India, for example, has a relatively high Ubuntu adoption rate. Of course, the numbers aren't huge anywhere, and I agree that relying on the Ubuntu brand name alone isn't going to move products.

> Totally different environments that share only the fact they are powered by electricity.

At least in tech companies, specifically web development, that isn't an irrelevant thing. If your personal dev machine is running the same environment as the server where your app is running, that greatly simplifies package dependencies and deployment. If your personal dev machine is also your company-issued phone, that's very convenient.

> While I think we'll get there, we are far away from our smartphones having the power to run a full PC OS with our current workloads. Perhaps Ubuntu is looking too much into the future... personally I think they need the revenue of today's reality.

I think we're already there. With smartphone tech running rich 3D applications and powering 4K displays, I don't think any more horsepower is required for your average word processing/email/web scenario. And if we're not there yet, we certainly will be in under 5 years, and planning for a future that will soon exist is exactly how tech companies get the jump on competition (See: iPhone).

> I won't even comment the phrase about Windows applications as it makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. Many companies now deliver the standard MS Office suite to employees via cloud solutions like Citrix (http://www.citrix.com/). And with MS and Office heading even further in that direction with native cloud implementations, having a Windows OS is becoming increasingly unnecessary. Having a DESKTOP OS is mandatory, but it doesn't need to be Windows anymore.

If these Ubuntu phones are powerful enough to run a browser smoothly in the desktop configuration, they'll be incredibly useful.

Another potential boon for Ubuntu phones is Steam on Linux. As history shows, the platform with the most games is usually the most successful. As Steamboxes begin to roll out and the platform gains more developer support, owners of Ubuntu phones will find that the device they're already carrying around is also a microconsole.

Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Target_market Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of the company behind the Linux distribution believes that Ubuntu for phones will first find a niche in countries where Ubuntu is well known Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand. Ubuntu strives to be “the smartphone that’s also a full PC”.[26] Canonical repor…

> Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand. I think that story changes somewhat on a country-by-country basis. India, for example, has a relatively high Ubuntu adoption rate. Of course, the numbers aren't huge anywhere, and I agree that relying on the Ubuntu brand name alone isn't going to move products. > Totally different environments that share…

instead of being a not-android, i would like an ubuntu phone as desktop errr... notebook, laptop, netbook replacement. 5 to 6 inch, octacore, full browser, ability to drive 4K displays or TV, full ubuntu desktop. that would ultimately be the end of the PC market for devs, pros.

Re: Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Target_market Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of the company behind the Linux distribution believes that Ubuntu for phones will first find a niche in countries where Ubuntu is well known Linux is barely well known to the general population. Let alone getting them to differentiate the Ubuntu brand. Ubuntu strives to be “the smartphone that’s also a full PC”.[26] Canonical repor…

Canonical already failed to demonstrate that their community gives a damn with their failed crowdfunded flagship phone. I see absolutely nothing to indicate that the community which failed to be impressed with Ubuntu on the "Ubuntu Edge" will provide a solid niche market for it on other devices.
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