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BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by archgoon »

pmorici wrote: post #5
dylz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got an email about this from cal, might been exposed, grr. Why don't people vaccinate.

If you are vaccinated as most people in the US should be then why should you care that you were exposed?

From the National Health Service (UK):

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/measles-outb...

"Can you still get measles after the MMR vaccination?

It’s extremely unlikely, but you need two doses of MMR to be fully protected. The first dose of the MMR jab protects 90% of those who receive it, and the second dose tops this up to 99% protection. Almost all of the children in the Welsh outbreak who caught measles were either completely unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated."

Assuming everyone was vaccinated then:

2000 people exposed, with 99% effectiveness of vaccine, yields about 20 people who will contract measles despite being vaccinated.

Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by ars »

pmorici wrote: post #5
dylz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got an email about this from cal, might been exposed, grr. Why don't people vaccinate.

If you are vaccinated as most people in the US should be then why should you care that you were exposed?

Because the vaccine doesn't work in everyone.

Because young children can not be vaccinated, so he should stay away from them for a time (don't know how long).

Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by fingerprinter »

hartie wrote: post #10

Universities require all standard vaccinations. How was this student admitted to Berkeley?

I knew a women who felt it was her moral duty to fight vaccinations. She had no issue forging documentation saying her kids had gotten vaccinated when they hadn't.

I've heard this is common among the anti-vax crowd. Not saying it is what happened in this case, just giving a personal anecdote.

Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by ars »

Goopplesoft wrote: post #3
hyperion2010 wrote: post #2

Damn I wish the media would run more scare stories about pandemics of extremely virulent diseases that are actually completely preventable! "Don't want to risk having your child die? Don't want potential life long health problems? Get vaccinated today!" >_<

The externalities of not getting vaccinated (see: this article) makes a strong case for requiring them or at least making a subset of them required upon exit for reentry (similar to passports) without religious exemptions.

That sounds good on the surface, but has problems in the details.

Do you want a country that prohibits people from leaving when they want? So you can't require it on exit.

And the most basic right of citizenship is the ability to enter the country, so you can't require it on entry either.

All you can do is convince other countries to prohibit entry without vaccination,

Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by YokoZar »

ars wrote: post #14
Goopplesoft wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The externalities of not getting vaccinated (see: this article) makes a strong case for requiring them or at least making a subset of them required upon exit for reentry (similar to passports) without religious exemptions.

That sounds good on the surface, but has problems in the details. Do you want a country that prohibits people from leaving when they want? So you can't require it on exit. And the most basic right of citizenship is the ability to enter the country, so you can't require it on entry either. All you can do is convince other countries to prohibit entry without vaccination,

Yes, as a US citizen, your right to enter the United States is "absolute, unconditional, and irrevocable." That said, we do reserve the right to arrest or fine you immediately upon entry.

Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by InclinedPlane »

pmorici wrote: post #5
dylz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got an email about this from cal, might been exposed, grr. Why don't people vaccinate.

If you are vaccinated as most people in the US should be then why should you care that you were exposed?

If you are wearing a bullet proof vest then why should you care that you were shot?

Re: BART rider with measles potentially exposed thousands in Bay area

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Post by euank »

hartie wrote: post #10

Universities require all standard vaccinations. How was this student admitted to Berkeley?

You can get out of vaccinations in many situations with a) a doctor's express diagnosis that you should not be vaccinated or b) claiming to have a religious reason that prohibits vaccination.

These methods might not work for all universities, but I know they work for some.

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