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Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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I hope it's more like "EU" than Europe, because countries like UK seem more than happy to sell the rest of us out. In the end the solution will be to build trustless P2P networks, everywhere, but the only way US and US companies will agree to allowing something like that will be if EU pushes for localized EU networks and stuff like this to make their life too hard otherwise.

Er, the UK has been part of the European Union since 1973.

Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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post #4

What so many people fail to realize is that the NSA will try and likely succeed at penetrating these networks as well. The real difference is that they don't need FISA courts to authorize foreign intelligence operations, only domestic ones.

A more self-sufficient European network, especially one that excludes Great-Britain (sorry guys...), would raise the effort required to do surveillance.

The NSA doesn't have a limited budget. It already has more data than it can use.

Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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post #4

What so many people fail to realize is that the NSA will try and likely succeed at penetrating these networks as well. The real difference is that they don't need FISA courts to authorize foreign intelligence operations, only domestic ones.

A more self-sufficient European network, especially one that excludes Great-Britain (sorry guys...), would raise the effort required to do surveillance. The NSA doesn't have a limited budget. It already has more data than it can use.

>would raise the effort required to do surveillance.

The UK isn't the only country that co-operates with the US authorities on this, sadly.

Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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China kicking out Google doesn't seems so crazy now. The American government is a worldwide aggressor that cannot be restrained. All defenses must be put up in an attempt to stop it.

As a side benefit China has fostered a large homegrown internet industry which many other countries lack. Services like Baidu and Sina Weibo are more than acceptable. Europe is more than capable of doing the same and hopefully with less censorship.

Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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post #17

China kicking out Google doesn't seems so crazy now. The American government is a worldwide aggressor that cannot be restrained. All defenses must be put up in an attempt to stop it. As a side benefit China has fostered a large homegrown internet industry which many other countries lack. Services like Baidu and Sina Weibo are more than acceptable. Europe is more than capable of doing the same and hopefully with less…

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Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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post #4

What so many people fail to realize is that the NSA will try and likely succeed at penetrating these networks as well. The real difference is that they don't need FISA courts to authorize foreign intelligence operations, only domestic ones.

A more self-sufficient European network, especially one that excludes Great-Britain (sorry guys...), would raise the effort required to do surveillance. The NSA doesn't have a limited budget. It already has more data than it can use.

I don't think any EU network is likely to exclude the UK, given BT's ownership of so many key telecoms patents and the fact that they have the contract to provide external connectivity for the commission, Parliament and Council, the Court of Justice, the Court of Auditors, the European Economic and Social Committee, the Committee of the Regions, the European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions, the European Agency for the Evaluation of Medicinal Products, the Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union, the European Food Safety Authority, the European Maritime Safety Agency, the European Aviation Safety Agency and the European Agency for Reconstruction.

Re: Data protection: Angela Merkel proposes Europe network

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post #7

The substance is more interesting than the headline: "Above all, we'll talk about European providers that offer security for our citizens, so that one shouldn't have to send emails and other information across the Atlantic" i.e. government support of alternatives to the US owned networked services that enable the data leakages, not low level infrastructure improvements. Whether or not such a thing is likely to work,…

That makes a bit more sense. At the level of infrastructure there already is a "European network", with pretty good interconnects. It's very uncommon for intra-European packets to go via the US, at least in continental Europe. There are some routes where it can happen due to peculiarities of peering agreements, but I've seen it quite rarely. On the other hand, if lots of Europeans are hosting their email in the U.S.,…

On the other hand, any traffic that needs to cross the Atlantic, via the Apollo cables, takes a detour via GCHQ Bude, which is funded by the NSA (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/USA-spent-millions-Bude-spy-...). I suspect a lot of non-US traffic goes via London, too.
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