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New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

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Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

#11
This is the first I've heard of Tidbit and I have to say that it is absolutely ingenious!!!

If they do open source the code, I strongly hope that webmasters would actually replace obtrusive ads with the mining protocol and not just add it in addition to ad revenue.

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

#12

Hysteria aside, what happens when a court subpoena demands someone hand over something they don't have? Does the person just say, "I don't have it." and that's that? What if they lie about not having it?

Contempt of court faces up to 5yrs in jail.

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

#13

Umm.... what were they issued the subpoena FOR!? I read the entire article waiting for this to be explained. Or can you just be subpoena'd without any case?

The article explains the case pretty well:

> ...the language in the subpoena reads much like the state’s computer fraud act, which carries some stiff penalties. Last year, New Jersey alleged that E-Sports Entertainment (ESEA) hijacked their [subscribers'] computing power to mine Bitcoins... the state believes Tidbit may similarly violate consumers’ rights.

According to the EFF:

> the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses associated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jer...

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

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Hysteria aside, what happens when a court subpoena demands someone hand over something they don't have? Does the person just say, "I don't have it." and that's that? What if they lie about not having it?

The prosecutor's would have to...

1. prove they have the evidence.

or

2. prove they destroyed or concealed it.

Greatest quote I've ever heard: "it's not what they know, it's what they can prove in court"

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

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If these New Jersey prosecutors fail with this one, I'm sure they can slap some felony computer fraud charges on them for violating X website's ToS agreement. Prosecutors need to lose their immunity, then we might get some sanity back in the justice system.

What prosecutors?

"What prosecutors?"? What do you imagine the difference is between saying "prosecutors need to lose their immunity" and "we need to lose prosecutorial immunity"?

All prosecutors, obviously.

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

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Can someone with a background in law tell me if or why it wouldn't be legal to turn over bitcoin private keys, complying exactly with a request, while also using your own retained copies of those keys to sign transfer transactions sending all those bitcoins held by the previous (now compromised) keys to your new ones that are not covered by the subpoena? It seems to me that you'd be complying exactly with their reque…

Subverting the intent of a ruling or law is not viewed favorably, and can easily be fixed, if need be, by tighter wording.

I don't think it's subverting the intent to move the BTC out. The point of subpoenas is to get information, not resources; if you want resources the correct mechanism is a seizure. The court is probably just asking for everything it can just in case.

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

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post #12

Hysteria aside, what happens when a court subpoena demands someone hand over something they don't have? Does the person just say, "I don't have it." and that's that? What if they lie about not having it?

Contempt of court faces up to 5yrs in jail.

There's no jail limit for contempt of court.

14 years: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/07/14/man-jailed-on-civil-cont...

7 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contempt of court faces up to 5yrs in jail.

There's no jail limit for contempt of court. 14 years: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/07/14/man-jailed-on-civil-cont... 7 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong

Ah, in Canada it's 5 years. "Punishment can range from the person being imprisoned for a period of less than five years or until the person complies with the order or fine."

Re: New Jersey slaps MIT Bitcoin hackers with subpoena

#20

This is the first I've heard of Tidbit and I have to say that it is absolutely ingenious!!! If they do open source the code, I strongly hope that webmasters would actually replace obtrusive ads with the mining protocol and not just add it in addition to ad revenue.

It's been posted before and quite frankly, it can very easily be abused as a malicious feature. Especially if the user is unaware of their being complicit in mining.
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