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Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by cmelbye »

sven98 wrote: post #5
e40 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you that all the people that have moved into my East Bay neighborhood with good schools have been from SF. People with kids that can't handle the price for private schools and deal with the kid unfriendly nature of SF.

You mean the broken needles in the gutters, the people taking dumps on the sidewalk in broad daylight, hustlers trying to sell you crack and meth on every corner downtown, and the general ambient smell of piss? Come on, nothing builds character like that.

That's a little harsh.

Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by eweise »

e40 wrote: post #3
codex wrote: post #2

A net loss of 1500 individuals spread out over four years: in other words, almost nothing.

I can tell you that all the people that have moved into my East Bay neighborhood with good schools have been from SF. People with kids that can't handle the price for private schools and deal with the kid unfriendly nature of SF.

Its really the lottery system for the public schools that is the reason most of my friends with kids left SF. People buy houses in certain neighborhoods to guarantee which school their kids attend. Without that guarantee, there is not much incentive to live there.

Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by w1ntermute »

kaonashi wrote: post #7
w1ntermute wrote: post #6

It's amazing how, in a city full of so many supposedly socially conscious people, the government has been able to allow things to get so bad for the middle class.

The government can accommodate (or fail to), but most of the driving factors here originate from the private sector.

It is the government's failure to reform zoning laws and its failure to create efficient public transit that are the basic problems here. For those with children, the school system is also subpar.

The private sector hasn't done anything wrong. In fact, the people of San Francisco and their government should be grateful that, in such dismal economic times, the tech industry has chosen to locate itself in a jurisdiction so viscerally hostile to the private sector.

Without tech, San Francisco might have become a Detroit with nicer weather (a situation that the hipsters would no doubt have thoroughly enjoyed).

Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by [deleted] »

saalweachter wrote: post #9

Once again, the income range quoted in the article seems to correspond to the Thompson & Hickey 2005 definition of "Lower middle class". Mostly likely the people moving in to replace the displayed Lower-middle-classers are Upper-middle-classers making $75,000-$250,000, with only a sprinkling of Upper-classers (aka the 1%). So once again pitting the middle against itself... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_middle_…

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Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by sillysaurus2 »

saalweachter wrote: post #9

Once again, the income range quoted in the article seems to correspond to the Thompson & Hickey 2005 definition of "Lower middle class". Mostly likely the people moving in to replace the displayed Lower-middle-classers are Upper-middle-classers making $75,000-$250,000, with only a sprinkling of Upper-classers (aka the 1%). So once again pitting the middle against itself... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_middle_…

$75k in San Fran isn't upper middle class.

Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by spikels »

kaonashi wrote: post #7
w1ntermute wrote: post #6

It's amazing how, in a city full of so many supposedly socially conscious people, the government has been able to allow things to get so bad for the middle class.

The government can accommodate (or fail to), but most of the driving factors here originate from the private sector.

Bullshit! The private sector is the same in the places the SF middle class are moving to. It's the selfish, short sighted SF government that's causing this.

Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by hueving »

cmelbye wrote: post #11
sven98 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the broken needles in the gutters, the people taking dumps on the sidewalk in broad daylight, hustlers trying to sell you crack and meth on every corner downtown, and the general ambient smell of piss? Come on, nothing builds character like that.

That's a little harsh.

Yeah, but after a while you get used to the smell.

Re: Middle class leaving San Francisco, census says

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Post by Crito »

kaonashi wrote: post #7
w1ntermute wrote: post #6

It's amazing how, in a city full of so many supposedly socially conscious people, the government has been able to allow things to get so bad for the middle class.

The government can accommodate (or fail to), but most of the driving factors here originate from the private sector.

The "private sector" is not the one that allows homeless to clog BART escalators with human shit.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to raise a family inside SF, and the city government is the cause of the reasons why.

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