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We need new countries !

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Re: We need new countries !

#11
I've seen quite a few posts like this that make it sound like running a country can be bought for the price of land. I'm curious (as I really don't know), how many new countries have been created that didn't happen because of war, bloodshed or some other violent conflict?

It seems like this is almost a requirement any time a new country is created as people & especially governments are very likely to sell you land, but not sell you control.

Re: We need new countries !

#12
post #6

> I have a hypothesis, that the most life-capable beings are those, who are able to cope with risk and fear, cross the line of comfort zone, and explore new unknown areas. In this manner, America inherited the best ones in the world, and I think this is one of the reasons why America is the wealthiest country, according to several measurements. Uh, this is the first time I have heard that Americans are somehow geneti…

It's nothing to do with genetics. It's that people who would board a wooden ship to head to head off into the unknown were predisposed towards taking calculated risks. Some of that will have been passed down to their kids, not genetically but how they were raised and educated. It was simply a much bigger gamble to head across the Atlantic than it was to cross the English Channel. You still see this today, altho' to a…

> It's nothing to do with genetics. It's that people who would board a wooden ship to head to head off into the unknown were predisposed towards taking calculated risk

As JetSetWilly pointed out, this lack explanatory power. For instance, it does not explain why the USA is a global power whereas Agentina, Brazil and Mexico are far from it. So while this may be necessary, it cannot be sufficient.

Re: We need new countries !

#13
Full disclosure - I'm American and have lived here since birth, as is my entire family as far back as it matters.

America was founded by political dissidents, religious nut bags, criminals, and paranoid sociopaths who couldn't cut it in civilized Europe.

Today, America is controlled by billionaires that profit from and exploit that same paranoia and fear. Yes, America is a nation that is nearly entirely crippled by fear. Originally, we were afraid of spirits, and later we were afraid of werewolves, and then witches. Now, we're afraid of terrorists, gays, education, and essentially anyone who is different than us.

Re: We need new countries !

#14
He got so many things wrong, it's hard to even start criticizing him. Well, I won't. I had the same ideas when I was 16. Then I started reading books.

Also: Why in Xolotl's name is this on Hacker News?!?

Re: We need new countries !

#15

> I have a hypothesis, that the most life-capable beings are those, who are able to cope with risk and fear, cross the line of comfort zone, and explore new unknown areas. In this manner, America inherited the best ones in the world, and I think this is one of the reasons why America is the wealthiest country, according to several measurements. Uh, this is the first time I have heard that Americans are somehow geneti…

I think you misunderstood him. He was referring to the fact that America used to be the "promise land", because of the freedom it used to have, and why so many people wanted to flee there, and create their own opportunities thanks to that freedom. It has nothing to do with genetics.

Re: We need new countries !

#16
post #8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nothing to do with genetics. It's that people who would board a wooden ship to head to head off into the unknown were predisposed towards taking calculated risks. Some of that will have been passed down to their kids, not genetically but how they were raised and educated. It was simply a much bigger gamble to head across the Atlantic than it was to cross the English Channel. You still see this today, altho' to a…

> Anyone who is working or has moved overseas is likely to be among the most ambitious of their peer group from back home. Also likely to be from a wealthy or otherwise privileged background: wealth offers opportunity and permits risk-taking.

> Also likely to be from a wealthy or otherwise privileged background: wealth offers opportunity and permits risk-taking.

Maybe likely - but not required. It sounds nice, but until you have a source for this, I'm not likely to believe it.

If anything, especially with these types of endeavors, where there's not just money, but life to be lost - I'd presume that the wealthy would have more to lose than someone with nothing.

In other words, with a wealthy person taking risks has a much higher opportunity cost than someone with nothing to lose.

As an aside, you can move abroad to asia & live for a fraction of the cost that you'd require in the states. International travel & work isn't just the domain of the wealthy anymore.

Re: We need new countries !

#19
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nothing to do with genetics. It's that people who would board a wooden ship to head to head off into the unknown were predisposed towards taking calculated risks. Some of that will have been passed down to their kids, not genetically but how they were raised and educated. It was simply a much bigger gamble to head across the Atlantic than it was to cross the English Channel. You still see this today, altho' to a…

> It's nothing to do with genetics. It's that people who would board a wooden ship to head to head off into the unknown were predisposed towards taking calculated risk As JetSetWilly pointed out, this lack explanatory power. For instance, it does not explain why the USA is a global power whereas Agentina, Brazil and Mexico are far from it. So while this may be necessary, it cannot be sufficient.

It also doesn't explain why countries such as Germany, Switzerland, and Sweden are so successful. I'm sure you could pick something common to the history of all three and make a completely speculative story about why certain Europeans are the most successful people in the world...
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