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German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for Content on a Website

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People like to complain about laws/regulation/tax/etc. in the US but it is on an entirely different level in the EU.

Germany is not the EU and this is not final; it'll never pass EU wide nor will it in Germany for that matter.

Germany is the epitome of the EU. Pass or not Germany and the EU has way more regulation then the US. My point was people who like to complain about regulation here should take a peek across the pond.

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People like to complain about laws/regulation/tax/etc. in the US but it is on an entirely different level in the EU.

It is also important to note that in difference to the US court rulings cannot be used as reference for future cases in Germany.

No way? I thought the supreme court was like ..... supreme?

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People like to complain about laws/regulation/tax/etc. in the US but it is on an entirely different level in the EU.

People like to complain about the EU without understanding what the EU is.

Hint: none of this has fuck all to do with the EU. Germany is a sovereign nation.

Edit: And at least this is happening in a proper legal process (which is far from over). It doesn't even come close to the FBI barging in and hijacking domain names of foreign sites without any form of legal process.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also important to note that in difference to the US court rulings cannot be used as reference for future cases in Germany.

No way? I thought the supreme court was like ..... supreme?

Well, they may have the last word in some cases. But no judge is ever bound to act according to a supreme court judgement. They might do so, but they don't have to. To make decision permanent, the parliament has to pass a law.

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Original article is much more informative. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tech-industry/3501030/german...

And totally different from the post here.

> The Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe had already ruled that DENIC is generally not liable for rights violations, the verdict showed.

> However, the Regional Court of Saarbrücken found that the rights violations of h33t.com were obvious and easy to identify, said Brüß.

> Since the album was still shared through h33t after several requests sent to the website's operator by Key-Systems to stop the infringing activity, the registrar had to act to stop the infringement, the court found.

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Ridiculously misleading headline.

No, this is not what the court has said. In fact they pretty much explicitly said the opposite, i.e., in principle they are not liable.

The court has said that a supplier that clearly knows that it is supplying services to an illegal operation should stop supplying those services.

There's nothing wrong with that in principle, it is applied to all kinds of things. The problem comes when it is applied to alleged copyright infringement, and it becomes even more problematic when it's indirect, like with torrent indexing sites.

That is something that is very difficult to ascertain, and it should not be left up to ISP's, registrars, telco's and alike to decide whether or not copyright infringement is going on.

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>A domain name registrar can be held liable for the copyright infringements of a website it registered if it is obvious the domain is used for infringements and the registrar does nothing to prevent it, the Regional Court of Saarbrücken in Germany has ruled. //

The court is going to have to define what "obvious use of a domain for copyright infringement" means in order for companies to make such a decision.

For example a torrent tracker isn't copyright infringing, it may be considered in court to be a contributory infringement [? don't know German caselaw on this?] but that's a non-obvious call for a company to make without the benefit of expert advisers.

Trackers point to [not exclusively] infringing material, like Google/Bing point to infringing material.

Indeed it may be impossible for a tracker host to establish the legality of any particular torrent without court powers to seize evidence and call witnesses and such.

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Interestingly, this sort of request isn't limited to registrars. I did a bit of work with a registry for some new gTLD's (not a program I support; my former employer became involved in the business) and they had already planned for dealing with takedowns of domains at the registry (not registrar) level.

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People like to complain about laws/regulation/tax/etc. in the US but it is on an entirely different level in the EU.

It is also important to note that in difference to the US court rulings cannot be used as reference for future cases in Germany.

Exactly.
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