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Some thoughts on this white paper, with the caveat that I'm not sure how much of what is discussed they have done and how much of it is what they are planning to do. The white paper is light on details and I re-iterate my appeal for them to release their data (at least in summary form). My apologies for some of the technical language--I want to write this first and then I can clarify the hard stuff (or you can google…

Hi there, Reid from Immunity Project. Thanks for the great question! Would love to talk with you off line about your research, by the way.

1. We have successfully gotten an immune response with memory (by elispot) after a single dose of the PLGA microspheres containing one or two peptides when combined with TLR-4 (MPLA) and TLR-9 (CpG) agonists. We used H2d restricted epitopes to do the study in C57BL/6 mice – this study is done and in the PRJ review process. We are being careful about posting the results in the event we need to re-submit to a journal who would get heartburn if they saw the data posted.

2. We are raising money now to essentially repeat the experiment (on a smaller scale because we think we understand the optimal formulation configuration now) in C57BL/6 NOG mice (with human PBMCs grafted in from a donor with known HLA type). The new experiment starts off looking like the experiment in (1) above: intradermal tail injection, wait 14 days, sacrifice, get the spleen, confirm immune response to peptide target by flurospot. The next part is new: separate CD8 from CD4 cells (from the mouse spleen), infect the CD4 cells with HIV, see if the vaccination attempt was good enough to see p24 antigen suppression and/or a change in the CD4 counts (all in-vitro). We can finish this study in a couple months, assuming the crowd funding keeps going well and we start in a couple weeks. We will use a different mechanism to publish our paper around this experiment so that we can get it out right away in a fashion that will lead to peer review and open access (We just learned about peerj.com – thoughts on that?).

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on our approach.

Re: Immunity Project – HIV Vaccine Development Program [pdf]

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Interesting. Would Gates and a couple others be willing to cut a few large checks to just make it happen? This is something that should be fast-tracked. As in right now, please.

Ian from Immunity Project here. We've actually chatted with a few of these large foundations and they are very interested. They want to see some Phase I data first, so that's why we went ahead with the crowdfunding campaign to help us get to that point! Check it out: http://pledge.immunityproject.org

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Another thing I want to point out is that your home page touts safety as a design point. The text under "SAFE" says "Our vaccine does not contain killed viruses, live viruses, or genetically-modified viruses." I STRONGLY object to this language as it implies that inactivated (killed) and live* viruses are unsafe in general. This is simply not true. I believe most clinically used vaccines are either inactivated or att…

Thanks for the comment! We did not mean to imply that existing vaccines were dangerous and will modify the language on the site to clarify.

Re: Immunity Project – HIV Vaccine Development Program [pdf]

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Some thoughts on this white paper, with the caveat that I'm not sure how much of what is discussed they have done and how much of it is what they are planning to do. The white paper is light on details and I re-iterate my appeal for them to release their data (at least in summary form). My apologies for some of the technical language--I want to write this first and then I can clarify the hard stuff (or you can google…

Wait! But what HIV protein(s) is the peptide(s) derived from?

Let's not overlook the decades of prior data! The field is littered with names like VRC01, Camelid and so many other players. I know, I know, antibodies all versus antigen in this case. But keep reading ...

HIV is a master at developing resistant forms of itself. What if it changes the epitope and evades the vaccine induced antibody(ies), again!?! (Edit: Don't forget the long-term viral reservoirs that survive against the best antiretrovirals known to us!)

This is something I care about personally: What is their strategy against resistance? (Or, like everyone else before them, they will build that bridge when the water is above their nose!?! Not being snarky, just very concerned.)

And might I also ask: Any concerns about accidentally inducing an autoimmune disorder with that antigen/epitope? Why/why not?

Added: I'd love to see these guys succeed and really want to see a rationale and approach that goes beyond what has been tried and not worked so far. Also, kudos for the open-science approach!

Re: Immunity Project – HIV Vaccine Development Program [pdf]

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Is there more basic research supporting this interaction (crystallographic or otherwise) between the peptide and T cell? The paper feels like to jumps right into animal models.

"specific points identified by a data-driven analysis of actual individuals’ immune systems" pg1

What is the data in this case?

What is the sequence of the peptide(s) that are incorporated into the PLGA?

Side note: our start up works on helping biotech companies source reagents, supplies and equipment, we should be able to save you about ~15% on the ~475k part of the budget

Re: Immunity Project – HIV Vaccine Development Program [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse my lack of knowledge in this area, but is this vaccine purely preventative, or is it possible to administer it to someone already infected. I know/believe with traditional vaccines that you usually have to do it before infection. (Though could be wrong in this regard as well) If not, why not?

The definition of a vaccine is that it is preventative vs. a cure which is removing a disease from a previously infected patient. "A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease."

Yes, but immunity has many definitions, including 'to fight off'.

Since it's essentially teaching the immune system, why does this not work when the patient is already infected.

I thought there may be some difference between this and traditional vaccines as well.

Re: Immunity Project – HIV Vaccine Development Program [pdf]

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Some thoughts on this white paper, with the caveat that I'm not sure how much of what is discussed they have done and how much of it is what they are planning to do. The white paper is light on details and I re-iterate my appeal for them to release their data (at least in summary form). My apologies for some of the technical language--I want to write this first and then I can clarify the hard stuff (or you can google…

Hi there, Reid from Immunity Project. Thanks for the great question! Would love to talk with you off line about your research, by the way. 1. We have successfully gotten an immune response with memory (by elispot) after a single dose of the PLGA microspheres containing one or two peptides when combined with TLR-4 (MPLA) and TLR-9 (CpG) agonists. We used H2d restricted epitopes to do the study in C57BL/6 mice – this s…

#1 suffers from the critique I mentioned above. The peptide(s) you are using are designed for H2d. Do you have evidence that their human analogs* are immunogenic?

#2 I assume now you are using the human version of the peptide? I'm not sure why you're doing this in vitro when you can now do it in vivo. Why not (a) infect the mouse with HIV, (b) look at viral titers w/ and w/o pre-vaccination, (c) look for specific CD8 T cells that have developed against peptide-HLA complexes.

I'm not sure I understand your in vitro experiment. Are you planning on mixing CD4 and CD8 T cells together in vitro from vaccinated/non-vaccinated mice and looking for increased killing of the CD4 cells (as estimated by decreased p24)?

*I assume it's mostly anchor changes here

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Ian from the Immunity Project (YC W14) team here! Happy to answer any questions you may have.

Excuse my lack of knowledge in this area, but is this vaccine purely preventative, or is it possible to administer it to someone already infected. I know/believe with traditional vaccines that you usually have to do it before infection. (Though could be wrong in this regard as well) If not, why not?

Howie from the Immunity Project here. Thanks for your question! We're really just focusing on the preventive aspect of this vaccine as we head into our Phase I human clinical trials.

Re: Immunity Project – HIV Vaccine Development Program [pdf]

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Some thoughts on this white paper, with the caveat that I'm not sure how much of what is discussed they have done and how much of it is what they are planning to do. The white paper is light on details and I re-iterate my appeal for them to release their data (at least in summary form). My apologies for some of the technical language--I want to write this first and then I can clarify the hard stuff (or you can google…

Wait! But what HIV protein(s) is the peptide(s) derived from? Let's not overlook the decades of prior data! The field is littered with names like VRC01, Camelid and so many other players. I know, I know, antibodies all versus antigen in this case. But keep reading ... HIV is a master at developing resistant forms of itself. What if it changes the epitope and evades the vaccine induced antibody(ies), again!?! (Edit: D…

Hey shiven! Thanks for your question. This is Ian Cinnamon from the Immunity Project team.

The targets we are trying to immunize with are believed to be beneficial by a statistical analysis similar to what is described here: Mothe B, Anuska L, Ibarrondo J, Daniels M, Miranda C, Zamarreno J, et al. Definition of the viral targets of protective HIV-1-specific T cell responses. Journal of Translational Medicine 2011;9(208):20.

The guys who generated the peptides we are using have specifically asked us not to talk about the sequences because they are trying to publish now. We hope that these targets will be conserved to the point that resistance is limited (as may be the case in some HIV controllers) - won't know without clinical data.

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