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Oracle Killed Java

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Re: Oracle Killed Java

#11

Post by skybrian »

Applets were invented at a time when there was competition between language-level sandboxing (Java) versus code signing (Active X).

Today we understand that you need language-level sandboxing, OS-level sandboxing, permissions enforcement, code signing, and a way to revoke bad apps. (Android store, for example.) And it's not really enough.

Most of us have moved on, but I think Oracle deserves some credit for doing something to protect the people who still must rely on applets for some reason (probably legacy apps).

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#13

Post by 0x0 »

When the author claims self-signed applets run in a sandbox, I believe that's incorrect. Even the warning shows the sandbox becomes disabled.

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#14

Post by belluchan »

darklajid wrote: post #5
grimlck wrote: post #2

Yet another link-bait title... It should be 'Oracle killed Java APPLETS'

Given that Oracle now tries to make you install Ask malware (adware? Same thing..) with every "So you want to get security fixes, eh?" updates.. No, the title's totally fine. Oracle sucks balls and killed Java. I'm still having it installed (interested in Clojure, for example), but I actively make sure that people around me Do Not Use It. Java as a platform on the desktop was killed by the company that is a) unable t…

Pretty sure Sun was doing Ask Toolbars with Java installs [1]. And Ask Toolbars are not malware, they're not even adware. They don't compromise your computer. The shady thing it does is change your default search engine to an Ask.com search result that has more, and less noticeable ads. That's a pretty shitty thing, not user friendly, but it's not "malware" and it's not "adware." I worked on the Ask Toolbar and there was no tracking information other than your general non-personally identifiable stats gathering like one would use on a website with Google Analytics.

[1] http://www.quora.com/Java-programming-language/Why-does-Java...

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#15

Post by tjohns »

darklajid wrote: post #5
grimlck wrote: post #2

Yet another link-bait title... It should be 'Oracle killed Java APPLETS'

Given that Oracle now tries to make you install Ask malware (adware? Same thing..) with every "So you want to get security fixes, eh?" updates.. No, the title's totally fine. Oracle sucks balls and killed Java. I'm still having it installed (interested in Clojure, for example), but I actively make sure that people around me Do Not Use It. Java as a platform on the desktop was killed by the company that is a) unable t…

FWIW, the Ask.com toolbar is only installed on Windows. Installing Java is relatively painless on MacOS and Linux. Not that this makes me any happier about the situation.

There's also OpenJDK as an option, though for some reason there's no official Windows builds for it.

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#16

Post by skywhopper »

Java in the browser has been dead for years, or should've been. Sure, lots of people are still stuck with it for legacy apps, but no one likes having to use it. Good riddance.

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#17

Post by jfoutz »

I've never used python for anything serious. I'm shocked to learn about this python functionality that duplicates webstart or applets. Being able to hand out a link that will download an interpreter and then run my script in a secure way (with self signed code no less) is a really slick feature.

That or the author is playing a dirty rhetorical trick.

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#18

Post by [deleted] »

darklajid wrote: post #5
grimlck wrote: post #2

Yet another link-bait title... It should be 'Oracle killed Java APPLETS'

Given that Oracle now tries to make you install Ask malware (adware? Same thing..) with every "So you want to get security fixes, eh?" updates.. No, the title's totally fine. Oracle sucks balls and killed Java. I'm still having it installed (interested in Clojure, for example), but I actively make sure that people around me Do Not Use It. Java as a platform on the desktop was killed by the company that is a) unable t…

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Re: Oracle Killed Java

#19

Post by officemonkey »

belluchan wrote: post #14
darklajid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that Oracle now tries to make you install Ask malware (adware? Same thing..) with every "So you want to get security fixes, eh?" updates.. No, the title's totally fine. Oracle sucks balls and killed Java. I'm still having it installed (interested in Clojure, for example), but I actively make sure that people around me Do Not Use It. Java as a platform on the desktop was killed by the company that is a) unable t…

Pretty sure Sun was doing Ask Toolbars with Java installs [1]. And Ask Toolbars are not malware, they're not even adware. They don't compromise your computer. The shady thing it does is change your default search engine to an Ask.com search result that has more, and less noticeable ads. That's a pretty shitty thing, not user friendly, but it's not "malware" and it's not "adware." I worked on the Ask Toolbar and there…

>I worked on the Ask Toolbar

That's a pretty shitty thing, not user friendly

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#20

Post by TacticalCoder »

darklajid wrote: post #5
grimlck wrote: post #2

Yet another link-bait title... It should be 'Oracle killed Java APPLETS'

Given that Oracle now tries to make you install Ask malware (adware? Same thing..) with every "So you want to get security fixes, eh?" updates.. No, the title's totally fine. Oracle sucks balls and killed Java. I'm still having it installed (interested in Clojure, for example), but I actively make sure that people around me Do Not Use It. Java as a platform on the desktop was killed by the company that is a) unable t…

The title is still ultra link-bait.

Both Java applets and Java desktop apps are completely irrelevant to Java on the server-side.

A case could be made that Java is also an amazing success in countless devices, from Java smartcards to smartphones / tablets (with, for example, use Java source code compiled to bytecode run on something looking very much like a JVM on Android devices).

Java is an amazing success and neither Java applets nor Java desktop have anything to do with it: on the contrary, these two Java technologies hardly did anything besides giving the Java brand bad reputation.

Both Java applets and Java desktop apps could disappear overnight and the millions (!) of Java devs out there would still have a job. Granted, they'd still need one Java desktop app: the IDE they're using to develop Java apps).

Note that I'm not saying that Oracle is playing nice when, apparently, they're using spammy techniques when you install desktop Java...

All I'm saying is:

"Java applets + Java desktop apps" != Java

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