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Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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Re: Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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Preface: I work at Househappy.org a real estate start-up seeking to simplify the search experience. I completely agree with the article. I read the one posted last week and sort of chuckled (asking where the start ups are) because it's not the technology that's the problem, it's the industry and the market itself... Why? As the author states, brokers live and die by their commission (my father happens to be one as we…

Good on you for having a CEO with real-world experience in your field. :) That makes all the difference. So if your target market is the brokers, the trick is providing value to them. That means more commissions, or more profit per commission. There might be a market for painkillers and making it less stressful, but that will be a much smaller market than getting a piece of that commission cash flow. And for pricing,…

Spot on there. Selling to the broker franchises in a B2B play is much easier than selling to individual agents in a B2C play. You have to prove to brokers that they are going to make more commissions and it is extremely hard to prove that ROI.

The paid per commission model has been tried by very few companies. It would expose a company to a significant amount of market risk (housing drops like 2008 and your SAAS play is now dead), but could make sense. The issue there is tracking closed deals. There are so many complications during the close that are out of the hands of the software.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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The bottom line is what the business problem you try to resolve. Helping broker is would be profit prohibitive to brokers, hence the slow tech adoption rate. Now if look from consumer's view, a big problem is to identify what a fair price a house should be in a given area at a certain period of time. The shopping experience only benefit broker which helps to turn on buyer's buying mode. To consumer such a big purchase there are far more important questions to answer before a real estate agent has all the advantages to rip off. Apart from the real estate wall guarded listing, is there any open geographic, demographic data available from which any meaningful software can be built independent from real estate industry? A disruption of real estate industry can only come from outside, and it can lucrative for just considering the amount of fees a broker has taken away from each transaction today. It is amazing so few of founders have targeted real estate industry. It truly needs think outside the box, don't be like zillow or trulia.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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The bottom line is what the business problem you try to resolve. Helping broker is would be profit prohibitive to brokers, hence the slow tech adoption rate. Now if look from consumer's view, a big problem is to identify what a fair price a house should be in a given area at a certain period of time. The shopping experience only benefit broker which helps to turn on buyer's buying mode. To consumer such a big purchas…

You make an interesting point. One of the issues, however, is that all of the data is created within the industry. Because brokers create and control the data, companies must work within the system in order to access the data.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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post #10

Preface: I work at Househappy.org a real estate start-up seeking to simplify the search experience. I completely agree with the article. I read the one posted last week and sort of chuckled (asking where the start ups are) because it's not the technology that's the problem, it's the industry and the market itself... Why? As the author states, brokers live and die by their commission (my father happens to be one as we…

Good on you for having a CEO with real-world experience in your field. :) That makes all the difference. So if your target market is the brokers, the trick is providing value to them. That means more commissions, or more profit per commission. There might be a market for painkillers and making it less stressful, but that will be a much smaller market than getting a piece of that commission cash flow. And for pricing,…

I also think what a lot of real estate startups are missing is that real estate is not just single family houmes for sale. There are massive opportunities to sell software to real estate investors and developers, who actually have the funds to invest in software solutions.

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Good on you for having a CEO with real-world experience in your field. :) That makes all the difference. So if your target market is the brokers, the trick is providing value to them. That means more commissions, or more profit per commission. There might be a market for painkillers and making it less stressful, but that will be a much smaller market than getting a piece of that commission cash flow. And for pricing,…

Spot on there. Selling to the broker franchises in a B2B play is much easier than selling to individual agents in a B2C play. You have to prove to brokers that they are going to make more commissions and it is extremely hard to prove that ROI. The paid per commission model has been tried by very few companies. It would expose a company to a significant amount of market risk (housing drops like 2008 and your SAAS play…

Yeah. I remember closing on our house (the only time I've ever bought property) and it was so ridiculously complex for even a straightforward transaction. I can't imagine trying to skim from that on a state-by-state legal basis and getting enough to justify the cost. I mean, getting $100 out of it would not be worth it. But getting $1000 out of it would start eating seriously into the margins of other players - how would you bring enough value to make it worth letting you participate, especially in the kind of hands-off way that makes software solutions scale?

Re: Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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Phil, I wrote a response but HN rejected it because it was too long, so I posted it on my blog.

http://blog.ezliu.com/which-problems-to-solve-first-in-real-...

TLDR:

Despite directly opposing headlines and section titles, I don't think we really disagree on much.

Real estate is a big space and there are easy and hard problems. Most of our opposing headlines are a result of us describing different aspects of the game.

Happy to chat any time. Email in profile.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech is So Unattractive for Founders

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As ezl pointed out, the topic is too big for this format, so...the short version.

Trulia started as a scraper site to pull info that is NOT in an mls. That is why they first opened in NYC where there was no mls and at present they pull foreclosure data which is also not mls listed property. They do other things, but they were not trying to merely replicate data already available via "the mls" (multiple listing service owned and operated by brokerages collectively by private membership)

Zillow made their big splash with the Zestimate and then branched out after they had lots of eyes on the site via the zestimate before they moved into for sale property data.

Both are what we call "bottom feeder" sites. The big player is Redfin.com and I don't see you mentioning them. They started as a more data driven tech experience before they farmed out or bought into a lot of their tech work. That is the model you want to look at. Redfin takes mls data plus 3rd party info regarding schools...walk score...many other startup and generally bottom feeder site data and incorporates it into one display...including the zillow zestimate link. They did not intend to be a brokerage initially and shifted gears as the money was in the consumer's pocket and not the brokers' and so they followed the money and shifted to an RE commission model to capture the commission dollars vs being paid by brokerages.

As mentioned here they primarily tried to use tech to reduce the cost of service. They have had to increase their commission from their original idea once or twice and elevate the agent component as well. Their original idea was to make real estate a totally online experience. They are the model to study as to what didn't work and to emulate as to what does.

There is lots of room for more Redfin.com models. There are also many small companies here in Seattle trying other ideas...but Redfin is the one you should all study before continuing with this discussion. People first used them for the tech and not the commission discount. I don't even bother with a website as I only talk to my clients in Redfin links, even though I could easily bring them into the mls private portal.

Their original concept was to take 2% market share. A modest goal. They have far exceeded that goal and have grown BUT they do not go to cheap markets generally where the commission discount makes no sense business-wise for the company vs the consumer. Lower commission only works in places where home prices are high or at least above the national median.

One of my clients sent this link to me and asked for my thoughts. Please excuse the intrusion.

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