The man who promised to closed Guantanamo Bay... And didn't. They say a country gets the government it deserves, and America deserves Sarah Palin in 2016.
I don't think we got the person we elected in 2008 and 2012 ... what makes you think that Palin would be worse? Have you noticed that after all the "Tea Partyism" during the last election, the Republican party seems to have congealed back into its original form? I really don't see how we elect change without a third party - yet I think the way elections are run (especially financially) virtually guarantees we'll neve…
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#12The man who promised to closed Guantanamo Bay... And didn't. They say a country gets the government it deserves, and America deserves Sarah Palin in 2016.
As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. At this point that's the best hope for change that I can see.
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#13The man who promised to closed Guantanamo Bay... And didn't. They say a country gets the government it deserves, and America deserves Sarah Palin in 2016.
> The man who promised to closed Guantanamo Bay... And didn't. Yeah, I mean its not like Congress passed a law specifically prohibiting the actions the President proposed in order to close the detention facility at Guatanamo Bay. [1] [1] They didn't pass a law, but several, on different occasions.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantana...
Sure, he could find a way to push it through, but given the Republicans' historical success at demanding the world from a Democrat with a mandate (e.g. cutting capital gains tax by a third in exchange for childrens' health care), I'm sure their asking price was high.
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#14The man who promised to closed Guantanamo Bay... And didn't. They say a country gets the government it deserves, and America deserves Sarah Palin in 2016.
As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. At this point that's the best hope for change that I can see.
Actually, unfocussed churn in elected policymakers just means that the unelected powerbrokers -- who are very much not interested in change -- increase in power relative to the rotating classes of novice elected officials.
Especially given the limitations of our electoral system in providing choices and effective representation, educated voting on substance alone without effort outside of voting is insufficient to do much to produce desired change, but reducing the effort involved to just voting blindly for novelty will be even less effective.
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#15Our power-mad leaders never give up any of their power without a long protracted fight. We have to continue to keep the pressure on until this is actually fixed.
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#16I don't want to do the usual ranting thing, mostly because of how pathetically sad it all is. I will say as a disinterested observer (I do not support either major political party in the U.S.) I'm curious to see if any candidates will run on an anti-surveillance state message in the upcoming presidential elections. We could end up with the same assholes who support all this nonsense going back out and making a bunch…
The danger of this (from a politician's POV) is that it paints a giant target on your head, to the extent that the public is spooked about bad guys. Especially if something bad happens while you're in power, and the public rises up demanding the ability to catch all the bad guys whatever it takes. If we could learn to not freak out every time J Random Lunatic does a public bad thing, then we wouldn't be handing pro-surveillance politicians the tools to so easily defeat their opponents.
Basically this isn't just politicians being evil, it's the symptom of widespread irrationalism.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. At this point that's the best hope for change that I can see.
But Obama was "new to DC" - I don't get your logic here.
When he was elected to the Senate, he was new to DC. When he was elected to the Presidency as a sitting US Senator, not so much.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think we got the person we elected in 2008 and 2012 ... what makes you think that Palin would be worse? Have you noticed that after all the "Tea Partyism" during the last election, the Republican party seems to have congealed back into its original form? I really don't see how we elect change without a third party - yet I think the way elections are run (especially financially) virtually guarantees we'll neve…
I vote for those trying to change the system to give third parties access to it.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The man who promised to closed Guantanamo Bay... And didn't. Yeah, I mean its not like Congress passed a law specifically prohibiting the actions the President proposed in order to close the detention facility at Guatanamo Bay. [1] [1] They didn't pass a law, but several, on different occasions.
You mean they passed a law specifically blocking the actions the President took : he gave the executive order to close Guantanamo 2 days after the inauguration. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantana... Sure, he could find a way to push it through, but given the Republicans' historical success at demanding the world from a Democrat with a mandate (e.g. cutting capital gains tax by a third in exc…
There is no bad team and good team (i.e. your team) but a rotten sport. Your thinking has fallen victim to their divide and conquer strategy.
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#20I don't want to do the usual ranting thing, mostly because of how pathetically sad it all is. I will say as a disinterested observer (I do not support either major political party in the U.S.) I'm curious to see if any candidates will run on an anti-surveillance state message in the upcoming presidential elections. We could end up with the same assholes who support all this nonsense going back out and making a bunch…
> I'm curious to see if any candidates will run on an anti-surveillance state message in the upcoming presidential elections. The danger of this (from a politician's POV) is that it paints a giant target on your head, to the extent that the public is spooked about bad guys. Especially if something bad happens while you're in power, and the public rises up demanding the ability to catch all the bad guys whatever it ta…
We see this same pattern on many issues, take for instance welfare for Republicans. They'll talk up their objections, including making all sorts of nuanced arguments, but at the end of the day nobody is going to vote to throw grandma off a cliff.
I'd be ten bucks we same some of this same crap with security. Somebody will make impassioned, reasoned speeches -- probably explaining things just as you have done, and making a case for something that sounds great but is more of a marketing blurb than anything else. Maybe it'll be "peace through reasonable security" or something. (Be assured that it will be heavily poll-tested.)
But in the end, it'll just be more whitewashing. My curiosity is just how banal and pandering the politicians will get. From a rhetorical and philosophical viewpoint alone, it's always interesting to watch these verbal and policy gymnastics. What'll be the catchphrase? Will the tech community come out and support a politician even when it's blatantly obvious he or she is just beating a pinata and isn't serious about real change? I suspect so.