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NSA collects millions of text messages daily in 'untargeted' global sweep

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Re: NSA collects millions of text messages daily in 'untargeted' global sweep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's implausible that they've decided to capture text-messages, but turned a blind-eye to iMessage.

But they may not be able to crack iMessage.

I think it has got to the point, all revelations considered, where we can't hope or assume any encryption is safe.

Technology can't prevent this, we must change laws. Which at present, seems almost as unlikely.

Re: NSA collects millions of text messages daily in 'untargeted' global sweep

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> "The note warns analysts they must be careful to make sure they use the form’s toggle before searching, as otherwise the database will return the content of the UK messages – which would, without a warrant, cause the analyst to “unlawfully be seeing the content of the SMS”."

Re: NSA collects millions of text messages daily in 'untargeted' global sweep

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they may not be able to crack iMessage.

I think it has got to the point, all revelations considered, where we can't hope or assume any encryption is safe. Technology can't prevent this, we must change laws. Which at present, seems almost as unlikely.

Technology can help to a certain extent, but only if open source and handled client side. No amount of encryption on Apple's (or any company's) end will matter, because users can no longer trust them.

Re: NSA collects millions of text messages daily in 'untargeted' global sweep

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Great, let's start doing something about it instead of complaining. Here's my cynical take on a back of the napkin recipe for political change:

1. Call, write, tweet, and facebook your representatives, both local and federal, and tell them what you think- be sure to inflate your credentials and threaten to give money/votes/accolades to their political enemies. For bonus points, tell their enemies the same thing. For even more bonus points, run as a candidate yourself.

2. Write/speak/act out in the public sphere, make sure to get as much attention as possible and to be moderately vitriolic and abundantly populist in your rhetoric. Use only words, concepts, and rhetoric that a dim 9th grader would understand.

3. Join a physical protest- if there isn't one near you, it's your job to start one. I'd keep it nonviolent if I were you. I know that this isn't the cup of tea for most HN readers, but there's no way around it: physical presence matters, and the numbers of people who have protested surveillance thus far have been extremely paltry. We don't have the luxury of waiting for someone else to do it for us.

4. Convince your less-enlightened friends and relatives to do items 1-5, or at least be terrified of the government.

5. Start again from 1; repeat until successful.

Re: NSA collects millions of text messages daily in 'untargeted' global sweep

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"Communications from US phone numbers, the documents suggest, were removed (or “minimized”) from the database – but those of other countries, including the UK, were retained."

I'm interested in knowing the specifics on this. US data goes into a database and is then proactively removed? Minimization procedures [1] allow the nsa to keep US data up to 5 years to determine where it's coming from. It's also kept if "they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity."

So until the documents show otherwise, I assume that most of my text messages from the past 5 years are in an nsa database, and all messages that my friends sent to buy weed are there, perhaps being used to parallel construct criminal cases [2].

And at the very least, all of it would be visible to the systems administrators...

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-...

[2] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intel...

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