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The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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post #7

Ah, genres. In the 90's, I was into Breakbeat Hardcore and then later Jungle, which transformed into Drum & Bass, which was subdivided over time into Ragga, Neurofunk, Tech Step, Hard Step, Jump-Up, Clown Step, Liquid Funk, Ambient Drum & Bass, Drumstep and so on. Of course, what I understand under "Drum & Bass" is very different from a 18 year-old teenager who thinks late-period Pendulum is the greatest thing on ear…

quite useful if you can keep up with their consensual definitions :)

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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It seems like tags might be a better solution to classifying music than over-broad categories like "rock". Making genres more specific and granular just makes categorization more confusing and contentious. But use of multiple tags to categorize a song could allow different people to simultaneously apply the labels they prefer. Or perhaps a better solution would be "x sounds like y, z, etc."

It seems like tags might be a better solution to classifying music than over-broad categories like "rock".

Very much so; I've lost count of the number of times I've wished that players would recognize more than one genre tag; heck, even allmusic.com had multiple "styles" for their listings.

Of course, the real problem is human language, it's subtleties, and how people (ab)use it.

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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If you look at the history of music as a whole, rock is not ill defined. It's a pop music movement from the last 60 years, with a lot of similar characteristics. Of course, it sells itself as a myriad of subgenres, because part of it's idea as a musical movement and as a commercial product is to be very specifically tailored to it's target audience, but "Asking for Rock is only slightly better than 'Play me some songs that are music.'" it's not true, from 'Play me something done in the last 2200 years from anywhere on earth' to 'Play something done from 1960 to 2013 that identifies itself as some subgenre of the Rock family' there is an enormous difference.

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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I was all prepared to be cynical about this, but their big genre diagram both included our household's favorite obscure genre ("nl folk", ie Newfoundland folk) and started off playing a track which was clearly in the genre but not in our very extensive collection. Cudos to them!

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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According to this 'Moombahton' (a 9-day wonder that emerged about 18 months ago after someone deliberately played a Reggaeton record at the wrong speed) accounts for more music than 'Techno'. Sorry but 'LOL no.'

discogs.com is a much better resource for the music taxonomist.

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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post #7

Ah, genres. In the 90's, I was into Breakbeat Hardcore and then later Jungle, which transformed into Drum & Bass, which was subdivided over time into Ragga, Neurofunk, Tech Step, Hard Step, Jump-Up, Clown Step, Liquid Funk, Ambient Drum & Bass, Drumstep and so on. Of course, what I understand under "Drum & Bass" is very different from a 18 year-old teenager who thinks late-period Pendulum is the greatest thing on ear…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_capital T'was ever thus. Don't forget that acid/tekno/jungle was itself stepping on other peoples' shoes, namely the UKs established dancehall/ragga soundsystems: http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2004/06/4/17/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-o_N9rCujM EDIT: jungle was also briefly referred to as "future ragga"! imagine how many people that must have pissed off, even in '92: http:/…

Makes me think of the Clash dissing Paul Weller and the Jam for not being punk ("they got Burton suits, they think it's funny, turning rebellion into money"). That tension between style and righteousness.

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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post #2

It seems like tags might be a better solution to classifying music than over-broad categories like "rock". Making genres more specific and granular just makes categorization more confusing and contentious. But use of multiple tags to categorize a song could allow different people to simultaneously apply the labels they prefer. Or perhaps a better solution would be "x sounds like y, z, etc."

I agree. Tags are the solution. It's "is this rock enough to get a 'rock' tag?" Any other approach here is misguided.

Re: The Future of Music Genres Is Here

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Interesting to see, as I've been working to break out the traditional "dozens of" talk show genres into "hundreds of" with Player FM's podcast directory (https://player.fm).

This visualisation is way cooler than my side menu though :).

I see tags are mentioned in the discussion here. Tags/keywords are great for power users, but most people just don't think "I want to listen to X and Y without Z". They just think "I want to listen to Electrohouse" etc.

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