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Re: How To Find Unadvertised Jobs

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Taleo makes a great job making it as painful as possible to search and apply for jobs. I find it pretty funny a "hack" of how to look through taleo listings is in an article about unadvertised jobs.

Yup. On the one hand, recruiting is hardly the rocket science of software engineering, and on the other hand, it's hard to imagine a more user-unfriendly system than Taleo, yet somehow they seem to dominate the market.

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Isn't it better to let a recruitment company do the hard work for you? In a technical job market there are recruitment consultants that know all of the companies, what might work for you and where there might be a need. In my experience they do provide a very good service. However, we tend to dislike them when they are not needed so we might overlook them as our first point of call.

Isn't it better to let a recruitment company do the hard work for you?

If you want to entrust your professional future to someone who doesn't understand the work you do and whose interests aren't necessarily aligned with yours, sure.

Recruiters aren't all bad - they can be one prong of your job-search strategy. (I just found a great startup job through a recruiter.) But don't put them in charge.

And read Ask The Headhunter.

Re: How To Find Unadvertised Jobs

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At least within the area of the UK which I lived in until recently the idea that there are lots of unadvertised jobs is a myth. When I was unemployed I did the experiment of applying both via "the usual channels" and also speculatively based upon fairly elaborate analysis to try to identify suitable organisations. The number of "conversions" - which means inquiries turning into job interviews - was vastly higher for the usual channels, with very few companies responding to speculative inquiries.

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post #7

Taleo makes a great job making it as painful as possible to search and apply for jobs. I find it pretty funny a "hack" of how to look through taleo listings is in an article about unadvertised jobs.

Yup. On the one hand, recruiting is hardly the rocket science of software engineering, and on the other hand, it's hard to imagine a more user-unfriendly system than Taleo, yet somehow they seem to dominate the market.

Silk Road and SuccessFactors are just as terrible in my opinion but seem to also have a healthy percentage of the market. I believe all these HR software systems follow a similar pattern of starting out solving a fairly simple problem, then as Sales brings in more and more disparate customers, the developers keep tacking on stuff until it is a hodgepodge mess.

Re: How To Find Unadvertised Jobs

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Isn't it better to let a recruitment company do the hard work for you? In a technical job market there are recruitment consultants that know all of the companies, what might work for you and where there might be a need. In my experience they do provide a very good service. However, we tend to dislike them when they are not needed so we might overlook them as our first point of call.

Isn't it better to let a recruitment company do the hard work for you? If you want to entrust your professional future to someone who doesn't understand the work you do and whose interests aren't necessarily aligned with yours, sure. Recruiters aren't all bad - they can be one prong of your job-search strategy. (I just found a great startup job through a recruiter.) But don't put them in charge. And read Ask The Head…

Plus one for reading Nick (the author of 'Ask the Headhunter': http://asktheheadhunter.com/

The site has been 'online since 1995' and looks like it, but has a wealth of advice for taking control of your destiny when looking for a new job. This is my favorite piece on how to interview: http://asktheheadhunter.com/basics5.htm

Re: How To Find Unadvertised Jobs

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Uh, so the answer to 'how to find the unadvertised job' is 'look at company websites' or 'do google searches'?

I haven't been in the job market for years, so I don't have a great answer, but these seem pretty weak ways to find jobs that aren't advertised, because, if they are on company websites or available via Taleo, they are advertised.

How about:

  * research a company, find out their biggest problem (competitive research), find the manager who should be tackling the problem (linked in), and email him an outline of a solution.  I don't manage a ton of folks, but if someone did this, we'd definitely have a conversation.
  * go to tech meetups and meeting interesting people
  * comment on a corporate blog regularly
  * offer to work for free (if you can afford it)
  * ABL (always be looking)
  * never eat lunch along
  * blog about the industry you want to get into
  * work on an open source project
  * instagram (or whatever the kids are doing these days)
This is an oldie instance that one of my friends did to get hired back before the dotcom bubble: http://donwrege.com/XOR/home.html

Re: How To Find Unadvertised Jobs

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" When you see a job posted on (insert leading job board name here) somebody paid to have it advertised there. You know where it’s free for a company to post all of their jobs? Come on, guess… If you suspected a company’s own careers website, you would be correct!"

If somebody paid for it recently, it is a strong signal they really have an opening. Jobs on companies' own sites might only be there to:

a) show to customers and investors the company is in good shape.

b) keep their recruitment buffers filled just in case.

I've been through jobs in companies with "no recruitment" enforced due to budget cuts and guess what, the job ads on their sites were still there.

Re: How To Find Unadvertised Jobs

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post #14

At least within the area of the UK which I lived in until recently the idea that there are lots of unadvertised jobs is a myth. When I was unemployed I did the experiment of applying both via "the usual channels" and also speculatively based upon fairly elaborate analysis to try to identify suitable organisations. The number of "conversions" - which means inquiries turning into job interviews - was vastly higher for…

I have done the same and come to the same conclusion.
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