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Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic why would he even bother reporting it and have security experts poking around the logs and potentially find traces of his download. Personally i would have sold it to the highest bidder. Being "white hat" gets you in trouble more often than not. Il stick to "gray hat" thank you very much. If i ever choose to disclose any vulnerability to the owners i will not reveal my identity and after arbitrary amoun…

Your statement: Being "white hat" gets you in trouble more often than not. Is beyond absurd.

I would argue that your reply is the one that's absurd. Why is the quote you mentioned unreasonable?

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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It's about time for legislation making it a crime to report whistleblowers to the police and a criminal offense to search or seize their equipment. Perhaps an independent review body could be set up to arbitrate these situations?

It should never be a crime to report something to the police.

It should be the police's responsibility to make a decision about whether reports should be followed up or not. We should hold the police, prosecutors and the courts culpable for making reasonable judgements here, not random uninformed members of the public.

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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It's definitely more harmful long term to arrest rather than reward. Arresting people for reporting security vulnerabilities only causes the people whom would do so reluctant or even afraid of the repercussions. Meanwhile those who exploit maliciously will continue to not report their findings. If I was to find a security vulnerability in a site I frequent, I'd most likely stay quiet about it out of fear of legal ram…

Perhaps there's a need for a White Hat market, through which exploits can only be sold to the affected party.

The market would list the existence of the vulnerability (but not the details) until it was fixed.

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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post #12

It's about time for legislation making it a crime to report whistleblowers to the police and a criminal offense to search or seize their equipment. Perhaps an independent review body could be set up to arbitrate these situations?

It should never be a crime to report something to the police. It should be the police's responsibility to make a decision about whether reports should be followed up or not. We should hold the police, prosecutors and the courts culpable for making reasonable judgements here, not random uninformed members of the public.

"It should never be a crime to report something to the police."

I am not sure about that:

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2008/02/blind_hacker?...

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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Clearly, the government department is wholly responsible for putting up a rubbish website, but from another article on the story, "He first contacted PTV by email on Boxing Day.." . I wonder if the "white-hat hacker" didn't time his notification quite intentionally knowing there was a much lower probability of action being taken promptly. If they'd just patched the security hole he wouldn't get any exposure. It makes…

I'm not sure timing matters, ever. Why should it? Large organizations will pay millions of dollars for canned 'assessments' that create far more noise and operational problems than reports like this - yet the knee here reaction to responsible disclosure is "well you didn't send it to us on the third Sunday of the month after a blue moon". Get a clue. If someone responsibly discloses then suck it up, fix it and when you don't expect to hit the front page of the local news. That's how reality works today, and as stated in the article, if this young researcher has found it it's either already known or the sands of time were close to running out on malicious use case.

I believe that if an organization wants to incriminate responsible disclosure then they have to have a public ToS stating any disclosure is subject to just that. Then they will dissuade any free help in a public fashion and left to their own devices. In that case there should be non-retaliation protection available via the state to anonymously submit without fear of being penalized.

If there was a big hole in the side of a bank and it was illegal to talk about it do you just accept it and move on? Do you continue to bank there? There's inherent risk with providing Internet based services. Deal with it instead of being ignorant about it.

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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...and now, all future holes in that site will be sold instead of reported to the owners. I'm fine with that.

The problem is that this property transfers to other websites. I'd much rather a 16 year old report problems with my website to me, but if she doesn't because of fears that I will call the police as other webmasters have, I'm worse off as a result.

This is bad news for everyone who runs a website.

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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In high school I was blacklisted from an admin position for demonstrating that you could write in Digital Command Language a program that simulated the login environment, stored login attempts, and then after three tries exited to the real login environment to let the user in. In college I was nearly expelled for just mentioning to the IT guys that they didn't have a password on some database, and I could get in with just telnet. These attitudes haven't changed much since 1990 at least.

Re: Teen Reported to Police After Finding Security Hole in Website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your statement: Being "white hat" gets you in trouble more often than not. Is beyond absurd.

I would argue that your reply is the one that's absurd. Why is the quote you mentioned unreasonable?

Maybe more pointedly - white hat and in high school, OR independent and not well known, OR when dealing with any sort of organization affiliated with government, banking, telecommunications or retail.

I think that covers 80% of this type of story cropping up quarterly in mainstream media.

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