>>> When the Egyptian army which is baked by the US government launched a coupe against a democratically elected president. Is it just me or has the US foreign policy been upside down the last 5-8 years??
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#12As I see it, America has always had a big issue with cults of personality since WWII and will do close to anything to get rid of them, including the 'democratically' elected, whatever that actually means.
While the public foreign policy statement is something like 'oh, if your people elect you, you're a-ok' it's much more like 'if you're a friend of the U.S. and don't do anything we find objectionable, you're a-ok'. Objectionable being, basically murdering your own people enmasse and or giving signs that you're not going to be a benevolent dictator, or trying to get more than conventional weapons.
Re: 5 years in prison for Egyptians who publish square massacre sign on social media
#13As I see it, America has always had a big issue with cults of personality since WWII and will do close to anything to get rid of them, including the 'democratically' elected, whatever that actually means. While the public foreign policy statement is something like 'oh, if your people elect you, you're a-ok' it's much more like 'if you're a friend of the U.S. and don't do anything we find objectionable, you're a-ok'.…
>As I see it, America has always had a big issue with cults of personality since WWII
Where exactly have you seen this?
>While the public foreign policy statement is something like 'oh, if your people elect you, you're a-ok' it's much more like 'if you're a friend of the U.S. and don't do anything we find objectionable, you're a-ok'. Objectionable being, basically murdering your own people enmasse and or giving signs that you're not going to be a benevolent dictator, or trying to get more than conventional weapons.
How exactly did Mossadegh, Allende, or Arbenz fall under this rule of thumb? The US has a history of overthrowing democratically elected leaders and installing mass murdering despots who were friendly to gigantic US businesses.
Has the US ever overthrown a dictator in favor of democratic elections?
Re: 5 years in prison for Egyptians who publish square massacre sign on social media
#14>>> When the Egyptian army which is baked by the US government launched a coupe against a democratically elected president. Is it just me or has the US foreign policy been upside down the last 5-8 years??
Geopolitics is complicated, now as much as any time in history. The US has been doing "OK" with regard to Egypt lately but there's really no good way to handle what's going on there. On the face of it Morsi was democratically elected but he also gave himself unlimited powers and was on his way to becoming just as much a tyrant as Mubarak ever was. He was deposed by a military coup which has its own problems and now E…
>Calling the Egyptian army "backed by the US government" is a bit of a stretch
No, it's literally true. Although I've heard that an end to US military aid to Egypt would simply mean an end to US influence in Egypt, as they could easily secure support elsewhere without the restrictions that the US imposes on who they can deal with.
>It's not as though there's a nice, peaceful secular organization dedicated to democracy and individual liberty just quietly growing in the shadows.
This is the result of US support to the Egyptian government. As elsewhere in the Middle East, the US propped up a dictator and assisted him in exterminating all secular opposition. There's no way to do that to the religious opposition, so when the dictator leaves, all you have to fill the vacuum are fundamentalists.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Geopolitics is complicated, now as much as any time in history. The US has been doing "OK" with regard to Egypt lately but there's really no good way to handle what's going on there. On the face of it Morsi was democratically elected but he also gave himself unlimited powers and was on his way to becoming just as much a tyrant as Mubarak ever was. He was deposed by a military coup which has its own problems and now E…
>Calling the Egyptian army "backed by the US government" is a bit of a stretch No, it's literally true. Although I've heard that an end to US military aid to Egypt would simply mean an end to US influence in Egypt, as they could easily secure support elsewhere without the restrictions that the US imposes on who they can deal with. >It's not as though there's a nice, peaceful secular organization dedicated to democrac…
The idea that the current Egyptian regime is "US backed" or that it is significantly more "US backed" than Morsi's regime, is frankly not supported by reality.
US support for Mubarak's regime was always problematic but it was theoretically in service to the greater good of maintaining peace between Egypt and Israel (which lasted for decades). When Mubarak started murdering protesters the support of the US government for him evaporated rather quickly.