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”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by qwerta »

apunic wrote: post #2

Slighlty OT: Anybody knows why installing an OS on mobile hardware cannot be just like installing Windows in the old days? First installing the base system and then drivers for 'non-standard' hardware components. Why do need hardware manufacturers and OS vendors to talk? Getting the G-Suite seems to be a problem now but there are already some alternatives for each of the G-Suite's apps and I'd welcome any newcomer to…

It is possible. For example Ubuntu is installable on some phones.

It is like Linux 15 years ago, there are a few good drivers and one has to check compatibility charts.

Other problem is hardware detection. OS on PC can detect what hardware is installed. On mobile you need hardware map. There is no way to have universal installer for all mobile phones.

Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by ABS »

this "Google offers the Android codebase for free download, but this is only part of the software needed to make a phone viable"

is simply false. You have everything needed for a "phone" and even for a "smartphone", you simply miss google services that might (West in particular) or might not (East in particular) be perceived as a must have by consumer.

See for example all the android-based phone that ship with alternative markets, maps and similar services.

Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by RexRollman »

pavlov wrote: post #10

Android is more and more like the mobile equivalent of desktop Windows. Now they have the huge pirate market in China too. When this happened to Microsoft, certain strategy-oriented parts of the company were happy to see Windows spread everywhere as quickly as possible and deal with piracy later, whereas others were more concerned with the bottom line and how to extract revenue immediately. Google will have to deal w…

Its worst than that. A least with Windows on PC clones, you have control over the hardware and can update to your hearts content. Android makers often change the interface and can interfere with you from getting updates.

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Post by yeukhon »

sounds wrote: post #7

That was unexpected. Why would Google be so ignorant of Android China? China seems like such an obvious part of the mobile big picture that I can only assume "big" things. In no particular order: • Google's decision to leave China [1] • Political interference to protect a Chinese mobile OS [2] • Some sort of license restriction that doesn't effect Google services over the web but kicks in for mobile (completely a wil…

Wasn't the problem has to do with small vendors, not big names?

I would assume that was the issue? And if so, my guess is people just thought Chinese market was too complicated to handle (speaking from a Chinese perspective...) and particularly it was hard to deal with all the malware, links rewrite and law conflicts at all once, even with the powerful cash Google has. And since the Google China incident, Google doesn't seem to have any interest in the Chinese market anymore. It is a big market, but the effort to put into it to compete with local competitor is just way too much; plus Apple is already part of competition. I am actually amazed how Apple is able to succeed. To many people in China, owning an expensive phone like iPhone is a necessity (well, maybe I will call it a norm).

Right now I think mobile market is shifting interest to developing regions like South America and Southeast Asia.

Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by perlgeek »

jaggederest wrote: post #12
alextingle wrote: post #3

It's not just them. Google doesn't talk to anybody.

Apart from Matt Cutts responding personally on HN, people trying desperately to sell you Adwords, and press releases; they may as well be a black hole.

Don't forget the recruiters, how seem to cold-email everybody who has a github account :-)

Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by poizan42 »

edent wrote: post #9
justincormack wrote: post #6

Can anyone explain how I can just install the G-suite on Cyanogenmod then? Is it blessed by Google? Or does it recognise that my phone is appropriately blessed via the bootloader?

You can flash Gapps to get the G-suite in CyanogenMod. Download at http://goo.im/gapps Copy to your SD, reboot into recovery, flash the .zip file, reboot.

Read his question again. He didn't ask how to do it, he knows that. He asks why it works.

I was wondering the same thing when I read the article - my best bet is that the idea of ‘cracked’ G-Suite keys is a journalistic fiction invented for the sake of the story.

Not that it's legal for them to distribute it when they are not certified, but I don't think that there is actually a key required.

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Post by mgkimsal »

perlgeek wrote: post #16
jaggederest wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from Matt Cutts responding personally on HN, people trying desperately to sell you Adwords, and press releases; they may as well be a black hole.

Don't forget the recruiters, how seem to cold-email everybody who has a github account :-)

I had a recruiter from Google call me, chat for 20 minutes, talk about my resume, then ask for my resume. I told her to bing my name and download the latest copy.

Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by ldng »

justincormack wrote: post #8
apunic wrote: post #2

Slighlty OT: Anybody knows why installing an OS on mobile hardware cannot be just like installing Windows in the old days? First installing the base system and then drivers for 'non-standard' hardware components. Why do need hardware manufacturers and OS vendors to talk? Getting the G-Suite seems to be a problem now but there are already some alternatives for each of the G-Suite's apps and I'd welcome any newcomer to…

The Google apps are significantly better at present. What is needed is a community effort to work on one set of replacements that work well, rather than the fragmented alternatives.

Indeed and this set could be consolidated around an ownCloud API. I would even go further make them isolated from google's API by default with options to enable tight integration with the platform, if you wish. That is for instance, an address book that does not share your contacts and a calendar app that might share it's event if you explicitly say so, an A-GPS that doesn't report automatically your position to Google ...

Re: ”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls”

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Post by snowbunny »

justincormack wrote: post #6

Can anyone explain how I can just install the G-suite on Cyanogenmod then? Is it blessed by Google? Or does it recognise that my phone is appropriately blessed via the bootloader?

It's not blessed by Google. In fact they sent a C&D to CM over it.

http://gizmodo.com/5367420/google-threatens-cyanogen-android...

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