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An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

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Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

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Post by wreegab »

Goopplesoft wrote: post #6
wavefunction wrote: post #3

I'm an american and I care about widespread surveillance of foreigners.

Yeah, that honestly almost felt like a challenge to his fellow presenters and show caring by boycotting the conference as well. EDIT, Also NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations... Lets not act surprised about this now. Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too (again, their objective). Unless you'…

> "NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations ... Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too"

I don't know why we should find this more acceptable, whether NSA or foreign agencies. If it is supposed to be acceptable, than give every single person even greater power of surveillance of powerful government/corporate entities and their agents, given their power, they are more likely to do serious harm when unaccountable.

Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

#12

Post by wavefunction »

Goopplesoft wrote: post #6
wavefunction wrote: post #3

I'm an american and I care about widespread surveillance of foreigners.

Yeah, that honestly almost felt like a challenge to his fellow presenters and show caring by boycotting the conference as well. EDIT, Also NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations... Lets not act surprised about this now. Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too (again, their objective). Unless you'…

Yeah, I was stressing "widespread" as its unrealistic for any modern country to not commit some resources to intelligence gathering.

Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

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Post by Goopplesoft »

wreegab wrote: post #11
Goopplesoft wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that honestly almost felt like a challenge to his fellow presenters and show caring by boycotting the conference as well. EDIT, Also NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations... Lets not act surprised about this now. Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too (again, their objective). Unless you'…

> "NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations ... Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too" I don't know why we should find this more acceptable, whether NSA or foreign agencies. If it is supposed to be acceptable, than give every single person even greater power of surveillance of powerful government…

Whether or not it should be acceptable (aside: I'd agree it shouldn't), no one (few) was complaining until very recently. I mean why else have they been hiring the best mathematicians, cryptographers, & programmers with their billion dollar budgets? Acting like we didn't know it was to spy on foreigners until now is a bit disingenuous to me.

Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Goopplesoft wrote: post #6
wavefunction wrote: post #3

I'm an american and I care about widespread surveillance of foreigners.

Yeah, that honestly almost felt like a challenge to his fellow presenters and show caring by boycotting the conference as well. EDIT, Also NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations... Lets not act surprised about this now. Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too (again, their objective). Unless you'…

Spying on foreign governments is to be expected, but not very much against allies, and not at all against average non-politically-powerful citizens. That's going well beyond the duties of the job.

Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

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Post by suprgeek »

Excellent principled stand by Mikko.

Minor problem ".... In fact, I'm not expecting other conference speakers to cancel. Most of your speakers are american anyway – why would they care about surveillance that’s not targeted at them but at non-americans."

Incorrect - NSA surveillance most definitely HAS targeted Americans in America. That is precisely what the Snowden disclosures show - leaving aside all the contortions of "Only Collecting data is not surveillance - Metadata is not Surveillance, etc, etc"

Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

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Post by wcummings »

Goopplesoft wrote: post #6
wavefunction wrote: post #3

I'm an american and I care about widespread surveillance of foreigners.

Yeah, that honestly almost felt like a challenge to his fellow presenters and show caring by boycotting the conference as well. EDIT, Also NSA is a intelligence agency: spying on foreigners seems to me like it'd be their objective, regardless of the revelations... Lets not act surprised about this now. Other foreign intelligence agencies do their share of spying on foreigners too (again, their objective). Unless you'…

>Everyone expects them to be performing espionage

This comment is very trite. Everyone expects them to be performing espionage, but dragnet surveillance of civilians on this scale, domestic or foreign, is completely unprecedented and unacceptable.

Re: An Open Letter to the Chiefs of EMC and RSA

#20

Post by jorde »

suprgeek wrote: post #17

Excellent principled stand by Mikko. Minor problem ".... In fact, I'm not expecting other conference speakers to cancel. Most of your speakers are american anyway – why would they care about surveillance that’s not targeted at them but at non-americans." Incorrect - NSA surveillance most definitely HAS targeted Americans in America. That is precisely what the Snowden disclosures show - leaving aside all the contortio…

I'm 100% Mikko knows this and he is just being sarcastic.
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