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Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by rbanffy »

Sanddancer wrote: post #6

Seeing the removal of syslogd, getting more than a bit grumpy here at the continuing direction Redhat is dragging the Linux world. Journald may serve the basic user well, it can't do half the stuff a good syslogd configuration can do; it can't pipe messages to other processes, it can't send messages to remote servers, it can't send messages to multiple places. If redhat had put in services to let journald do the thin…

Fedora is the distro Red Hat uses to test stuff like this. I imagine the full functionality will be available and well understood before a RHEL release incorporates it.

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by wcchandler »

Here are the torrents: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

x86_64 DVD: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-20-x86_64-D...

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i386 DVD: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-20-i386-DVD...

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Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by kolme »

Also note, this is the first Distro (that I know of) that is resolution-independent out of the box -- thanks to Gnome 3.10.

Retina and retina-like users rejoice!

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by _sabe_ »

While on the topic, does any one have a good strategy for building the gstreamer-bad/ugly plugins on Fedora? I don't like the rpmfusion repository as it always seems to mess up the system sooner or later.

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by brokenparser »

reidrac wrote: post #5

"Syslog removed from default installation" and "Users accustomed to checking /var/log/messages for system logs should instead use journalctl." I'm sure I'm going to forget about that... I can't wait for the first WTF :)

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text.

I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I don't want to touch those with a ten foot pole.

As far as mainstream Linux distributions go, it's like choosing between 2 evils nowadays:

* Ubuntu: decent base system, lousy desktop

* Fedora: lousy base system, decent desktop

The former is almost fixed by Elementary OS, but the latter I'm still looking for a spin or derivative that fixes it. What attracts me most to these mainstream distributions is the vast amount of available packages and their ease of maintenance.

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by brokenparser »

mateuszf wrote: post #8
Sanddancer wrote: post #6

Seeing the removal of syslogd, getting more than a bit grumpy here at the continuing direction Redhat is dragging the Linux world. Journald may serve the basic user well, it can't do half the stuff a good syslogd configuration can do; it can't pipe messages to other processes, it can't send messages to remote servers, it can't send messages to multiple places. If redhat had put in services to let journald do the thin…

AFAIK it's quite easy to hook up rsyslog to it and then it doesn't make a difference.

That seems a bit inefficient to me, you'd end up with both binary and textual log files.

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by adestefan »

_sabe_ wrote: post #15

While on the topic, does any one have a good strategy for building the gstreamer-bad/ugly plugins on Fedora? I don't like the rpmfusion repository as it always seems to mess up the system sooner or later.

Why not grab the SRPM and just rebuild it yourself?

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by Sanddancer »

DrJokepu wrote: post #9
Sanddancer wrote: post #6

Seeing the removal of syslogd, getting more than a bit grumpy here at the continuing direction Redhat is dragging the Linux world. Journald may serve the basic user well, it can't do half the stuff a good syslogd configuration can do; it can't pipe messages to other processes, it can't send messages to remote servers, it can't send messages to multiple places. If redhat had put in services to let journald do the thin…

If you need syslogd, isn’t it as simple as yum install syslogd and then you’re sorted?

I can, however, again, it's a pretty poor direction that only serves to fragment systems. Many of the complaints that drove the creation of journald could have been better solved through a better default syslogd configuration. Additionally, the journald solution for needs such as remote logging or logging to multiple locations means that you now need to pipe through a process that has a near sole job of piping to another process. It just gives a very bad feeling of hackishness to me.

Re: Fedora 20 released

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Post by reidrac »

brokenparser wrote: post #16
reidrac wrote: post #5

"Syslog removed from default installation" and "Users accustomed to checking /var/log/messages for system logs should instead use journalctl." I'm sure I'm going to forget about that... I can't wait for the first WTF :)

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text. I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I do…

I don't usually have the need to check syslog in my desktop, unless I'm doing development, and in that case I will install syslog-ng (and systemctl enable syslog-ng). Not a big deal.

As for servers, I wouldn't use Fedora. Each release is supported for only 13 months and upgrades are not as seamless as in Debian.

So for me Fedora is a very decent desktop if you want the new shinies with ease of use. Most of the time works and it's great (even with the "Gnome 3 surprise factor", that keep _breaking_ things every now and then).

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