Wait, ANOTHER wedding? Didn't we do this a year or two ago also? We just wiped out 15 completely innocent people? Destroying their lives and their families forever? Can you imagine the holy hell if a foreign government did that in a US city? Shut down all armed drones. Review the entire use of them from top to bottom. This isn't a video game, there is no do-over.
Can you imagine the holy hell if a foreign government did that in a US city? You've just stepped into that intellectual minefield that's called "American Exceptionalism". Enjoy your stay.
US drone strike kills 15 civilians in Yemen by mistake
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#13Does anyone keep a tally on how many civilians the US has murdered with drones?
http://www.livingunderdrones.org/numbers/
There are no 100% solid estimates because of problems with reliable sources, but here are a couple of links to get you started.
http://natsec.newamerica.net/drones/pakistan/analysis
http://www.longwarjournal.org/multimedia/Yemen/code/Yemen-st...
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drone...
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#14"their party was mistaken for an al Qaeda convoy"
"An air strike missed its target and hit a wedding car convoy"
Were they targeting the wedding car or not? One is a failure of intelligence, the other is a failure of the technology.
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#15So please remind me, who are the terrorists again? I keep getting confused ...
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#16There seems to be conflicting information: "their party was mistaken for an al Qaeda convoy" "An air strike missed its target and hit a wedding car convoy" Were they targeting the wedding car or not? One is a failure of intelligence, the other is a failure of the technology.
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#17Wait, ANOTHER wedding? Didn't we do this a year or two ago also? We just wiped out 15 completely innocent people? Destroying their lives and their families forever? Can you imagine the holy hell if a foreign government did that in a US city? Shut down all armed drones. Review the entire use of them from top to bottom. This isn't a video game, there is no do-over.
More than that. I remember quite a few news reports of weddings in Pakistan being hit.
On the flip side, I've also heard the authenticity of those reports called into question. If a Taliban lieutenant and his posse are drone-struck, the local warlord can claim it was a peaceful civilian wedding and score some PR points.
I'm not justifying it, mind you. Commoditization of lethal force is something that scares me. I'm just pointing out the fog of war is particularly thick in that region.
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#18Wait, ANOTHER wedding? Didn't we do this a year or two ago also? We just wiped out 15 completely innocent people? Destroying their lives and their families forever? Can you imagine the holy hell if a foreign government did that in a US city? Shut down all armed drones. Review the entire use of them from top to bottom. This isn't a video game, there is no do-over.
Before drones, we did the same thing with cruise missiles, stealth aircraft, special forces raids, etc., etc., etc.
The particular weapon isn't the issue.
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#19Wait, ANOTHER wedding? Didn't we do this a year or two ago also? We just wiped out 15 completely innocent people? Destroying their lives and their families forever? Can you imagine the holy hell if a foreign government did that in a US city? Shut down all armed drones. Review the entire use of them from top to bottom. This isn't a video game, there is no do-over.
To be clear, this isn't a "drone" problem per so, so much as an "airpower" one. There have been plenty of incidents where the use of manned aircraft have resulted in similar (probably) inadvertent civilian casualties -- e.g. the AH-64 attack depicted in the "Collateral Murder" video or the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia, not to mention all of the incidents during the Vietnam War and WW2.
There has historically been a trade-off between risk to military personnel and civilian casualties. Ironically, the best way of reducing that trade off probably involves more robots, albeit ones that gives the military options other than "shoot" and "let potential militant get away".
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#20The problem, of course, is that there is no accountability. None. What do I do, write to my senator and say how mad I am? People write to senators saying how mad they are all the time.
And the press stands by and does nothing. They are just foreigners, its not like they were Americans.
On it's face, Obama has final responsibility for this mistake. He is the Commander in Chief of our armed forces; the drone strike policy is his; what will he say? What will he do? Ignore it? Apologize and promise to "look into it"?
I have a suggestion to align the interests of our armed forces with the interests of our nation: fine the fuck out of the group that makes the mistake. Make this incident have a material impact on next years budget. Teach decision makers that when they kill innocents, their careers are on the line. It's an embarrassment that travels all the way up the chain, all the way to the political level, but it will hurt your pocket book.
Where should the money go? The surviving families. They should be set for life. And if they radicalize and use their new wealth to arm themselves against the US? Oh well, I guess we should have thought of that before blowing whole innocent families up - and by remote control, no less. (Heck, we don't even do them the honor of putting a single American life in jeopardy to assassinate people anymore. Sheesh.)