Live data from Hacker News

U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

reuters.com

11–20 of 66 posts

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#11
post #8
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organic farmers have approved antibiotics they can use (as well as natural remedies). If a dairy cow is treated with antibiotics the holding time before she is allowed back into the milking process is usually double or triple the normal holding time for a non-organic cow (10-15 days vs 5 days). Sh is still milked but the milk is poured away.

Isn't there something more useful they could do with that milk than pour it away?

Possibly composted. That's about it.

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#12
post #6

The use of antibiotics in food stock should be banned completely. Saving a few cents per pound on meat isn't worth the damage to our antibiotic stock. Wanna give antibiotics to an animal, fine, but now it can't be used for food.

Think you're on the right track here. Antibiotics are used as a way of enabling livestock (hoof, beak or gill) to be bread in closer confines with high energy rich feed that, naturally, the livestock could not cope with. Expect massive push back from the various farming industries affected by this. Money uber alles.

[deleted]

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#13
post #8
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organic farmers have approved antibiotics they can use (as well as natural remedies). If a dairy cow is treated with antibiotics the holding time before she is allowed back into the milking process is usually double or triple the normal holding time for a non-organic cow (10-15 days vs 5 days). Sh is still milked but the milk is poured away.

Isn't there something more useful they could do with that milk than pour it away?

It would have to be a non-food application, if we are trying to isolate the antibiotics. The only non-food application of milk that I am aware of is casein plastics.

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#14
post #12
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think you're on the right track here. Antibiotics are used as a way of enabling livestock (hoof, beak or gill) to be bread in closer confines with high energy rich feed that, naturally, the livestock could not cope with. Expect massive push back from the various farming industries affected by this. Money uber alles.

[deleted]

Lots of university extension websites discuss the use of antibiotic feed additives. They increase food energy conversion by something like 5%. They don't particularly enable "high energy rich feed that, naturally, the livestock could not cope with", but I guess they do reduce some issues associated with feeding corn (but that's probably a statistical thing, not an every single animal thing).

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#15
post #8
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organic farmers have approved antibiotics they can use (as well as natural remedies). If a dairy cow is treated with antibiotics the holding time before she is allowed back into the milking process is usually double or triple the normal holding time for a non-organic cow (10-15 days vs 5 days). Sh is still milked but the milk is poured away.

Isn't there something more useful they could do with that milk than pour it away?

When I was young we'd always spray the kittens with it. (I grew up on a dairy farm, fortunately we got rid of the cows when I was about 7)

They loved the whole situation.

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#16
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is oddly cruel to see that logic applied in organic meats. An animal might become infected. It might die a very painful and slow death. But to keep organic certification, not antibiotic maybe used on the farm. Even for animal that will become food, I would think that kindness should be applied. If it is sick/infected, but still useful for meat, cure it and eat it. If not, just kill it. Don't let it suffer.

I wholeheartedly agree :) However in the American meat industry, terminally ill animals are universally culled in short order.

Shit, this may not apply to the dairy industry however. I found this on an organic dairy website http://www.oberweis.com/web/milk.asp:

"Organic certification requires that milk be discarded for 12 months after antibiotic use. This has the unfortunate side effect of making a sick cow such a financial burden to a farm that it must frequently be killed. When this happens, organic farmers generally milk the sick cow (and sell her milk to be bottled as organic) as she gets sicker and sicker and as the quality of her milk deteriorates. She is slaughtered once her milk approaches legal limits."

So that sucks.

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#17
This guidelines are just voluntary? What's the point?

"'Our fear ... is that there will be no reduction in antibiotic use as companies will either ignore the plan altogether or simply switch from using antibiotics for routine growth promotion to using the same antibiotics for routine disease prevention,' said Steven Roach, senior analyst with advocacy group Keep Antibiotics Working."

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#18

I hear that the FDA will also be releasing a recommendation to close the barn door after the cows get out. You just can't be too careful, you know.

You're right, this is long overdue, however hind sight is 20/20 and late is better than never.

Re: U.S. FDA to phase out some antibiotic use in animal production

#20
post #5

The use of antibiotics in food stock should be banned completely. Saving a few cents per pound on meat isn't worth the damage to our antibiotic stock. Wanna give antibiotics to an animal, fine, but now it can't be used for food.

It is oddly cruel to see that logic applied in organic meats. An animal might become infected. It might die a very painful and slow death. But to keep organic certification, not antibiotic maybe used on the farm. Even for animal that will become food, I would think that kindness should be applied. If it is sick/infected, but still useful for meat, cure it and eat it. If not, just kill it. Don't let it suffer.

They use antibiotics in part because they keep animals in such close proximity. Disease spreads quickly in those conditions. In other words, they're creating the conditions that you would say justify the use of antibiotics.

You can't leave a loophole, or else companies will simply take advantage of it, even if it's to the detriment of society as a whole.

Post reply on HN