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Top-Selling Car in Norway Now Electric Car Two Months in a Row

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Re: Top-Selling Car in Norway Now Electric Car Two Months in a Row

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Post by pi-rat »

alecco wrote: post #4
dagss wrote: post #3

As a Norwegian this keep coming up in lunch conversations. I just bought an old used car from somebody buying a Tesla. What we come back to is the very high sale taxes on new cars in Norway (our "rule of thumb" is that cars are close to twice as expensive in Norway as in some other countries), but that most(/all?) of those taxes are waived for electric. So the alternative to getting, e.g., a Tesla is paying almost tw…

(Please don't take this in a bad way, I'm just curious and not judging) How do people feel being a top oil exporter and doing green policies/laws internally?

Most Norwegians do not care that much, but there have been some small discussions and newspaper headlines lately discussing the ethics and double standard of exporting oil/gas while trying to be green. Many people just shrug and say it's better the world burn oil/gas than chinese brown coal.

And you know the old saying - don't get high on your own supply..

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Post by salient »

dagss wrote: post #3

As a Norwegian this keep coming up in lunch conversations. I just bought an old used car from somebody buying a Tesla. What we come back to is the very high sale taxes on new cars in Norway (our "rule of thumb" is that cars are close to twice as expensive in Norway as in some other countries), but that most(/all?) of those taxes are waived for electric. So the alternative to getting, e.g., a Tesla is paying almost tw…

That sounds like a great political strategy to get people off oil. If only that were implemented in US, too.

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Post by pearkes »

embro wrote: post #9
tobiasu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't wait for Canada to put a 100+% tax on gas-powered vehicles? I have bad news for you...

To be honest, that would make my day, I wish gas was triple the actual price.

Do you live in the city with public transportation? Then I would definitely agree.

Otherwise, Canada can be really big and rural. Not having access to car (or in this case, potentially not being able to afford it) can be really damaging to your career, lifestyle, social life.

I grew up in the interior of BC 9 hours East of Vancouver. All of our driving policy (new driver rules and licensing) was dreamed up by street racing ridden Vancouver politics. The result was really damaging in small communities, as 18 year olds could only drive with 1 passenger. In effect, this eliminated young peoples ability to designate a DD. People didn't stop partying...they just drove.

Point being, policies designed for city residents don't always fit out in the rural areas.

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Post by dmm »

pearkes wrote: post #13
embro wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, that would make my day, I wish gas was triple the actual price.

Do you live in the city with public transportation? Then I would definitely agree. Otherwise, Canada can be really big and rural. Not having access to car (or in this case, potentially not being able to afford it) can be really damaging to your career, lifestyle, social life. I grew up in the interior of BC 9 hours East of Vancouver. All of our driving policy (new driver rules and licensing) was dreamed up by street…

Another way to see this is that everybody is subsidizing rural lifestyles by bearing the cost of their externalities.

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Post by conductor »

riggins wrote: post #14

I can't wait for widespread adoption of electric cars and reduced pollution.

Are you sure it will reduce the pollution (genuine question)? The cars will stop polluting directly but the electricity producers will start producing much more electricity (which is much more pollution) to feed the cars. So, which of these two pollutions is better - nuclear waste/pollution or co2?

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Post by conductor »

Zitrax wrote: post #5
dagss wrote: post #3

As a Norwegian this keep coming up in lunch conversations. I just bought an old used car from somebody buying a Tesla. What we come back to is the very high sale taxes on new cars in Norway (our "rule of thumb" is that cars are close to twice as expensive in Norway as in some other countries), but that most(/all?) of those taxes are waived for electric. So the alternative to getting, e.g., a Tesla is paying almost tw…

About prices, I compared prices in Sweden of a new Audi A4 and a Tesla S as normally cars are much more expensive in Norway, but for Tesla it's cheaper in Norway. I have not checked any rules about taxes or such, just got the prices for the same model from audis and teslas regional web pages. Sweden Norway Audi A4 33 269 64 843 Tesla S 70 798 55 682 (Prices in €)

Are there any legal restrictions for Norwegian citizens to go and buy cars in Sweden (then drive home)?

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Post by twoodfin »

dmm wrote: post #15
pearkes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you live in the city with public transportation? Then I would definitely agree. Otherwise, Canada can be really big and rural. Not having access to car (or in this case, potentially not being able to afford it) can be really damaging to your career, lifestyle, social life. I grew up in the interior of BC 9 hours East of Vancouver. All of our driving policy (new driver rules and licensing) was dreamed up by street…

Another way to see this is that everybody is subsidizing rural lifestyles by bearing the cost of their externalities.

And you've done the math on that? Waving the "externalities" wand isn't magic to justify any policy you'd like.

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Post by pi-rat »

conductor wrote: post #17
Zitrax wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About prices, I compared prices in Sweden of a new Audi A4 and a Tesla S as normally cars are much more expensive in Norway, but for Tesla it's cheaper in Norway. I have not checked any rules about taxes or such, just got the prices for the same model from audis and teslas regional web pages. Sweden Norway Audi A4 33 269 64 843 Tesla S 70 798 55 682 (Prices in €)

Are there any legal restrictions for Norwegian citizens to go and buy cars in Sweden (then drive home)?

Yes, you are required to pay import tax on the car when you bring it into the country. In the end you break about even. You could of course bring it in and avoid import, but it's high risk, sooner or later you get busted for driving and owning a car with swedish license plates as a Norwegian. (A foreigner can keep his car here for about 1 year before getting Norwegian license plates.)

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Post by gsnedders »

conductor wrote: post #17
Zitrax wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About prices, I compared prices in Sweden of a new Audi A4 and a Tesla S as normally cars are much more expensive in Norway, but for Tesla it's cheaper in Norway. I have not checked any rules about taxes or such, just got the prices for the same model from audis and teslas regional web pages. Sweden Norway Audi A4 33 269 64 843 Tesla S 70 798 55 682 (Prices in €)

Are there any legal restrictions for Norwegian citizens to go and buy cars in Sweden (then drive home)?

No. But one would be required to pay customs duties (import tax, really) — so then one is paying the same amount as just buying it in the country.
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