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Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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jbigelow76 wrote: post #4

Kraken is an offshoot from work at Paypal and just a few lines above this on the HN frontpage is a post about a Node memory leak post mortem from Wal-Mart. Over the next few years will we see Node become as commonplace in the enterprise as Java and .NET?

Enterprises don't need high-load web sites. Enterprises benefit from non-buggy strong static languages with automated refactoring.

Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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Post by twerquie »

_random_ wrote: post #11
jbigelow76 wrote: post #4

Kraken is an offshoot from work at Paypal and just a few lines above this on the HN frontpage is a post about a Node memory leak post mortem from Wal-Mart. Over the next few years will we see Node become as commonplace in the enterprise as Java and .NET?

Enterprises don't need high-load web sites. Enterprises benefit from non-buggy strong static languages with automated refactoring.

I'd say Walmart needs a high-load solution, as does paypal and LinkedIn who are both using node. Static vs dynamic languages both have merits and are almost completely subjective, but I'd say it comes down to team quality. Don't use the sharp tools if you have undiciplined or inexperienced devs who will fail to design correctly and write tests. Walmart has Eran Hammer, so I don't think they need to worry about that.

Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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Post by nawitus »

_random_ wrote: post #11
jbigelow76 wrote: post #4

Kraken is an offshoot from work at Paypal and just a few lines above this on the HN frontpage is a post about a Node memory leak post mortem from Wal-Mart. Over the next few years will we see Node become as commonplace in the enterprise as Java and .NET?

Enterprises don't need high-load web sites. Enterprises benefit from non-buggy strong static languages with automated refactoring.

You can write Node.js backends in TypeScript with static typing and refactoring support.

Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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Post by _random_ »

twerquie wrote: post #12
_random_ wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enterprises don't need high-load web sites. Enterprises benefit from non-buggy strong static languages with automated refactoring.

I'd say Walmart needs a high-load solution, as does paypal and LinkedIn who are both using node. Static vs dynamic languages both have merits and are almost completely subjective, but I'd say it comes down to team quality. Don't use the sharp tools if you have undiciplined or inexperienced devs who will fail to design correctly and write tests. Walmart has Eran Hammer, so I don't think they need to worry about that.

I meant the majority of enterprises, not stand out mega-stars such as Walmart who can afford to have an own lab full of experts. PayPal and LinkedIn are web technology companies relying on high-load public-facing web-sites. All three could afford to even build their own tech from scratch. Let's talk about the other 95% of enterprise - do they typically have high-load public websites?

Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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Post by maigret »

_random_ wrote: post #15
twerquie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say Walmart needs a high-load solution, as does paypal and LinkedIn who are both using node. Static vs dynamic languages both have merits and are almost completely subjective, but I'd say it comes down to team quality. Don't use the sharp tools if you have undiciplined or inexperienced devs who will fail to design correctly and write tests. Walmart has Eran Hammer, so I don't think they need to worry about that.

I meant the majority of enterprises, not stand out mega-stars such as Walmart who can afford to have an own lab full of experts. PayPal and LinkedIn are web technology companies relying on high-load public-facing web-sites. All three could afford to even build their own tech from scratch. Let's talk about the other 95% of enterprise - do they typically have high-load public websites?

They are going to have high load services in any case. Check "Internet of things" and "systems of engagement". Your traditional enterprise application is probably not the future of enterprise. It will continue to exist, but its importance will keep getting down.

Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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Post by taeric »

TimFogarty wrote: post #2

If you haven't seen Bill Scott's talk on Kraken.js, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5yk5SZxWX4

Very interesting talk, thanks for sharing. I confess the cynical side of me thinks the majority of the hand waving about why it worked is summed in a single line of the last slide "ensure the best developers are on the initial work". That is, would Java truly be so bad if you were able to ensure that idea, as well?

Still, though, I am more interested in node having watched this.

Re: Kraken.js: Enterprise-grade Node.js web application framework

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Post by ollysb »

forsaken wrote: post #10

I find it hard to believe it's Enterprise-grade when the documentation link points at a GitHub README.

Sounds like a distinct improvement on most of the enterprise documentation I've seen (that's all of our documentation but if you need more specific help we've got some great consultants :).
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