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How I became a con artist (2010)

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Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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I've done this several times while being completely honest about what I'm doing... returning gifts without a gift receipt probably from a different store. Step 1) Find two employees who are polar personalities. Step 2) Attempt to return the item while being completely honest about what you're doing. (books/software/clothes/whatever) Step 3) Get denied. Step 4) Try again with the second employee and mention how the fi…

I don't understand. So the second employee magically helps you because the first wouldn't? To make him jealous or something? What's the con here?

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Trust is hugely important in society. If you have to stop and verify every single thing, it's hugely expensive, which tends to make everyone worse off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_(social_sciences)#Economi...

I once heard that described as "Trust is a common good," which really rang true to me.

I'd go as far as to say that the first world's biggest asset is the collective trust it has accrued over the centuries.

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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I had a really hard time reading this, mostly because it's difficult for me to separate out in my mind when arbitrage becomes theft.

For example, in my teens I found a hack in the eBay search algorithm. The algorithm was very simple; it simply scanned the titles. So if I input '32GB Apple iPod Black' it would return everything with those keywords. If, however, I typed in 'iPod' it would return millions of results and be unusable. Not everybody realized this, however, so there were plenty of items just titled "iPod."

I ended up generating a 2-page long search that stared with iPod and negated all non-relevant terms (i.e. 'ipod -headphones -case -protector -battery' etc.). After entering in that term I would be given a page of everything only titled 'iPod,' and could pick them up for $50-100 and flip them the next day for $250-300. That was a good living for a 15-year-old kid.

When my mom began to probe after seeing iPods arriving at the house day after day, she started to question me, and we had a long philosophical discussion about whether or not what I was doing was "right." It was legal, of course, but was it right? - this was the much more important question in the eyes of my mom. She felt it was unethical and not providing value - I disagreed, and she allowed me to continue and not go against my conscience.

After a few interesting twists and turns the eBay hack turned into a multi-million dollar, off-eBay Broadway ticket brokerage firm. (We scalped broadway tickets at scale.) I provided no real value other than buying tickets at face value a long time in advance, and marking the prices up 3-4x last minute. I justified it by saying wall-street traders don't provide much value either. I let people wait to buy tickets, and let Capitalism decide who would get the tickets instead of who got word of the shows first or who cared the most. I appeased my conscience by convincing myself that I took the risk away from the venues, who could have waited and charged more, and profited thereby, but either didn't know it or were bound into agreements with artists/shows/etc. I still don't know how truthful that was, but eventually I left to try and start something that will actually benefit people, not just redistribute things and make money.

I wonder now if I was on a slippery slope and got off at just the right moment. I've seen a lot of my ticket broker/scalper friends end up trying to swindle casinos, get caught up in credit card fraud, etc; it becomes easy to feel smarter-than-thou when you're making bunches of money off of others' perceived negligence.

But at the same time I'm not the kind of successful where I can look back and say, "I was dumb and broke the rules and made some mistakes, but look, I made it now!" It's tempting to slip back into a world where you're not benefiting anybody and profiting thereby. So in that sense it's hard to separate my motives then from that of the author. Making money while helping people is really, really, really hard.

The moral of the story: It's difficult for me, at times, to discern when a "cool hack" becomes "criminal theft."

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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I find the fact that the mother who owned the thrift store would just hand donations that were "designer" to her kid immoral enough.

When I donate to a thrift shop, I'm doing so knowing that I'll help people be employed there, and also help out folks who need clothes for a decent price.

People who do this stuff always try to rationalize it, but at the end of the day they are stealing from all of us by passing the costs of their behavior onto us through higher prices.

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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Someone who is truly self-interested will strive to live in harmony with reality and with other people, instead of trying to constantly deceive and manipulate.

They will focus on producing real value they can trade, instead of the less efficient strategy of stealing from others.

In other words, do you think the author was happy? I don't.

Religion and altruism teach that your self-interest (at least in this world) is in opposition to morality. You can either help yourself, OR be good, but not both. The truth is that they are the same thing and you can do both.

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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I had a really hard time reading this, mostly because it's difficult for me to separate out in my mind when arbitrage becomes theft. For example, in my teens I found a hack in the eBay search algorithm. The algorithm was very simple; it simply scanned the titles. So if I input '32GB Apple iPod Black' it would return everything with those keywords. If, however, I typed in 'iPod' it would return millions of results and…

My thought on ticket scalpers: They are, funny enough, actually providing a service for one group of people (those who are short on time and have plenty of money) while hurting people who have plenty of time and less money. Without scalpers/brokers, getting a ticket turns into a game of who is willing to stand in line the longest.

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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post #6

Trust is hugely important in society. If you have to stop and verify every single thing, it's hugely expensive, which tends to make everyone worse off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_(social_sciences)#Economi...

I once heard that described as "Trust is a common good," which really rang true to me. I'd go as far as to say that the first world's biggest asset is the collective trust it has accrued over the centuries.

This is a bad way to look at it, because you're saying, inmplicitly, either sacrifice for the "common good" and be good, or help yourself and be evil.

The truth is that constantly stealing and manipulating instead of relaxing and focusing on producing real value to trade with others is not in your self interest.

So there is an argument to be made for behaving honestly that relies on self-interest instead of calling for self-sacrifice. That is a much more appealing argument, and one I can actually buy into.

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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I've done this several times while being completely honest about what I'm doing... returning gifts without a gift receipt probably from a different store. Step 1) Find two employees who are polar personalities. Step 2) Attempt to return the item while being completely honest about what you're doing. (books/software/clothes/whatever) Step 3) Get denied. Step 4) Try again with the second employee and mention how the fi…

I don't understand. So the second employee magically helps you because the first wouldn't? To make him jealous or something? What's the con here?

The enemy of my enemy; people will do things they shouldn't just because they don't like the other person.

Re: How I became a con artist (2010)

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I had a really hard time reading this, mostly because it's difficult for me to separate out in my mind when arbitrage becomes theft. For example, in my teens I found a hack in the eBay search algorithm. The algorithm was very simple; it simply scanned the titles. So if I input '32GB Apple iPod Black' it would return everything with those keywords. If, however, I typed in 'iPod' it would return millions of results and…

In the case of your ebay story, had you not done the arbitrage, wouldn't the owner of the iPod being unable to sell his stuff, hence worse off (the buy would still be buying the iPod at the same price you sell them - if they could have bought it cheaper, they wouldn't have bought it from you).

Additionally, your effort wasn't just buying and reselling the iPod, you have to compile the 2-page long search term, and then the knowledge of actually knowing how to do search properly with operators also took time to learn. Both the buyers and sellers could have got a better deal - had they spent more time. But they didn't, and you took the time to do those things for them. Isn't that a classic case of giving up a premium to save time?

Unless my ethical compass is way off ...

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