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Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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I don't know. If you have a team that is able to consistently ship products that work and are well received by your existing client base, you probably do have some badass tech guys. You don't necessarily have to claim that you are better than all other startups, you just have to claim to have a tech team that is magnitudes better than average teams at other companies. It is crazy to me how many failed projects are fl…

"I don't know. If you have a team that is able to consistently ship products that work and are well received by your existing client base, you probably do have some badass tech guys."

From my experience, a good manager can ship with bad enginners but good engineers cannot ship with a bad manager. This is from the perspective from an engineer.

We engineers need to stop kidding ourselves. We are good at certain problems but getting something out the door and running a company requires much more than what we are expected to be good at. This is why blogs like PG's and Joel Spolsky have such a following. They explain difficult concepts to engineers in a way engineers will understand. Not everything they write about are revelations to the whole world but they are to many engineers. Human-centric design? Other industries have done it for decades, etc. We need to know our own limitations if we want to go beyond them or make the conscious decision to not get better at it and let someone else handle it.

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of the failure is related to process or project management vs. the tech teams's skills?

I wouldn't be able to make a definitive judgement on that. But what I can say is that at my previous place of employment, we had a number of projects that never saw the light of day because the other organization couldn't meet their milestones. We were in direct contact with their dev team.

But what made you think the primary reason for their failures is the lack of good engineers?

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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Problems with incompetent leaders in Software/Startups.

1) Throwing engineers at something without asking the engineers

a) Twitter b) Spotify c) Soundcloud

Tweetie.app Lorens vs current twitter application.

2) Not allowing remote work.

3) Shitty domain knowledge that isn't worth crap.

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of the failure is related to process or project management vs. the tech teams's skills?

I wouldn't be able to make a definitive judgement on that. But what I can say is that at my previous place of employment, we had a number of projects that never saw the light of day because the other organization couldn't meet their milestones. We were in direct contact with their dev team.

Oh, for sure - worked in capital markets and getting any integration between the different teams was an unpleasant affair. However, it usually wasn't due to a lack of talent, but due to politics or personality - somebody who likes to say "no" a bunch, or refuses to allow some other approach. Most of the devs were grumpy, but liked the steady pay and stuck around. Probably the root of the problem - if retention became an issue, perhaps things would change?

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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post #13

Problems with incompetent leaders in Software/Startups. 1) Throwing engineers at something without asking the engineers a) Twitter b) Spotify c) Soundcloud Tweetie.app Lorens vs current twitter application. 2) Not allowing remote work. 3) Shitty domain knowledge that isn't worth crap.

Twitter and Spotify and Soundcloud have incompetent leaders?

Where can I learn to be so incompetent!?

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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My question is this:

Startups I see here are usually looking for the same kinds of people to help build their products (Rails, iOS, UI/UX, etc.).

They look to really only hire people who are really good at things like this to build their product. Are these people the best people to have around later? Once your company has bigger problems than just getting something out the door are these people a hinderance?

I don't want to sound like these people are not smart but being REALLY good at one thing generally means you are lacking in other domains (only so many hours in the day right?)

I ask because I'm honestly curious. I'm not involved in the startup world at all but this was always a question I had when reading job postings here.

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be able to make a definitive judgement on that. But what I can say is that at my previous place of employment, we had a number of projects that never saw the light of day because the other organization couldn't meet their milestones. We were in direct contact with their dev team.

But what made you think the primary reason for their failures is the lack of good engineers?

I can't speak for management, but our team would inform their team on what was broken, and it would not get resolved in a timely fashion.

We would get contacted by the client to resolve an issue on our end, and after some debugging we would consistently discover it was broken because of the other company. They couldn't produce code that worked.

This could have been a management problem. For example maybe they simply did not care enough about the project to allocate the necessary dev resources. But it also could have been resolved on the dev side if they did a better job of testing their code that they claimed was complete.

Edit: I guess the most direct answer would be, since it was a problem that I could have resolved with tech, I didn't see a reason why they couldn't resolve it with tech.

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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>usually the CEO is personally self-effacing and does not have that kind of personal arrogance.

I haven't seen that. Usually I see the whole "my tech team are all the best awesomest rock ninjas" tripe from the CEO, and entirely because it is an extension of their personal arrogance and massive ego. You talk to the CEO and they have the best tech team in the world solving impossible problems nobody else can do, and you talk to that tech team and they are like "We're making a website, there's nothing special about it". The CEO believes the quality of their tech team reflects their ability as a CEO, thus they must have the best team since they are the greatest CEO.

A sidenote you can ignore but I just need to vent: these massive ego CEOs then insist on making their tech team do this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell because they "know people", so they know what people want.

Re: Startup CEOs: you are overestimating your tech talent

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My thought is that so many are using "fake it 'til you make it" as a marker for their ambition. So, if they want to make it big, they are going to fake it big. This leads to, among other things, all of the job ads we have all seen that say, "Join CompanyX and help us change the world of shopping." Of course, how that world is going to change ("do I still have to use money?") is left unsaid.
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