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Re: The greatest food in human history

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> "Fuel prices, like food prices, disproportionately hit the poor, so do-gooders do everything they can to raise energy costs..." Way to put words in peoples' mouths. Political activists on all sides of all debates are doing what they can to help people (in the odd case of anti-immigration politics, to help "our" people) - Specifically for food and energy, this is to make people healthier (which makes them more likel…

There is no straw man here, as the article says the "do-gooders do everything they can to raise energy costs"; the article does NOT say 'do-gooders try to raise energy costs' or 'do-gooders want to raise energy costs', which would indeed be a straw man. The article is arguing that the "do-gooders" raise the price of energy, which has a disproportionately negative impact on the poor; it does not say anything about their motives. If you disagree with the argument, you should refute it with evidence.

Re: The greatest food in human history

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post #12

> "Fuel prices, like food prices, disproportionately hit the poor, so do-gooders do everything they can to raise energy costs..." Way to put words in peoples' mouths. Political activists on all sides of all debates are doing what they can to help people (in the odd case of anti-immigration politics, to help "our" people) - Specifically for food and energy, this is to make people healthier (which makes them more likel…

There is no straw man here, as the article says the "do-gooders do everything they can to raise energy costs"; the article does NOT say 'do-gooders try to raise energy costs' or 'do-gooders want to raise energy costs', which would indeed be a straw man. The article is arguing that the "do-gooders" raise the price of energy, which has a disproportionately negative impact on the poor; it does not say anything about the…

the idiom "do everything [one] can to..." clearly means both "try to" and "want to".

Indeed, even if you get rid of the hyperbolic "everything [one] can to", you're left with just "do", which is a superset of "try to" (although not "want to").

Re: The greatest food in human history

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Another terrible part of the story: >Junk food costs as little as $1.76 per 1,000 calories, whereas fresh veggies and the like cost more than 10 times as much, found a 2007 University of Washington survey for the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. A 2,000-calorie day of meals would, if you stuck strictly to the good-for-you stuff, cost $36.32, said the study’s lead author, Adam Drewnowski. This is rediculo…

Want to be rich? Make healthy food as easy to eat and as tasty as junk food. It seems no one is working on that.

My first career was in the food industry, as a chef (and later a pastry chef). I was fairly successful (relative to expectations within the industry), however there are some major issues with the industry.

First of all, food related businesses have high startup costs, high maintenance costs, low margins, and don't scale well. There's many incumbants, tastes are localized, sourcing produce can be a nightmare (if you want good produce), and every market is different. And because of the low margins, wages are low, the workforce is uneducated, and then you have to deal with things like high turnover and theft. Which is why most people in the food industry are sociopaths.

Anyhow, there is already fairly healthy, tasty fast food out there already, things like shawarma, falafel, some tacos, and most 'traditional' ethnic snacks.

Re: The greatest food in human history

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no straw man here, as the article says the "do-gooders do everything they can to raise energy costs"; the article does NOT say 'do-gooders try to raise energy costs' or 'do-gooders want to raise energy costs', which would indeed be a straw man. The article is arguing that the "do-gooders" raise the price of energy, which has a disproportionately negative impact on the poor; it does not say anything about the…

the idiom "do everything [one] can to..." clearly means both "try to" and "want to". Indeed, even if you get rid of the hyperbolic "everything [one] can to", you're left with just "do", which is a superset of "try to" (although not "want to").

'do' is not a superset of 'try', unless every outcome was desired from the outset. e.g. I 'do' create software bugs, but I to neither 'try to' nor 'want to' create software bugs.

Re: The greatest food in human history

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the idiom "do everything [one] can to..." clearly means both "try to" and "want to". Indeed, even if you get rid of the hyperbolic "everything [one] can to", you're left with just "do", which is a superset of "try to" (although not "want to").

'do' is not a superset of 'try', unless every outcome was desired from the outset. e.g. I 'do' create software bugs, but I to neither 'try to' nor 'want to' create software bugs.

True, apologies, but my main point about the idiom still stands - it means to strive for, which means both wanting and trying.
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